Corpus of Modern Scottish Writing (CMSW) - www.scottishcorpus.ac.uk/cmsw/ Document : 569 Title: Replies in the Case of the Suspension of David Woodburn, Student Author(s): Dalrymple, Sir David Duplies for the University of Glasgow to the Reply to their Answers to the Bill of Suspension of David Woodburn The Merits of this Cause have been stated upon the part of the University in their Answers to the Bill of Suspension, & the Respts do not mean now to repeat any Part of what has been there urged at Considerable length. They only propose to submitt a few Remarks upon some of the cheif things which have been thrown out in the Replies Upon the first Point respecting the Competency of the present Application for reviewing the proceedings of an University Meeting in the exercise of their Accademical Jurisdiction The Respts think it unneceſsary to make any Addition to what was urged upon that Stead in the answers. The distinction which the Complr endeavours to establish betwixt the Judgements of the Rectors Court or University Meeting [to] the Proceedings of the Principal & Masters in exercising Discipline over the Students the former of which he maintains to be reviewable by your [¿] whilst he admitts that the latter are liable to no Review is entirely chymerical & void of foundation The Respts do agree st the Complr in thinking that there is a Real Distinction in the Proceedings of the College & that some of them are reviewable by your [¿] & others not But the Nature & grounds of this distinction the Complr has entirely misapprehended what he seems to take for granted is, that the Acts or Determination of the Colledge are to be held reviewable or not, according as they happened to have been transacted in this or that particular Meeting; in the University meeting in which the Rector presides, or, in the meeting of the Principal & Masters, in which the Principal acts as Praeses. The Respts on the other Hand do maintain that the Criterion according to which their Proceedings are to be held reviewable or not is to be taken not from the particular Colledge Meeting at which the Busineſs was transacted but from the Nature of the Busineſs itself. This the Proceedings with regard to the Complr altho transacted in the University Meeting, in which the Rector presided, were as much a Part of the Exercise of accademick Discipline, as if they had been carried on at a Meeeting at which the Principal had sat as Praeses, & it is impoſsible to aſsign any good Reason why a Review should be competent in the one Case more than in the other. Accordingly by a Clause in the Charter of Nova Erectio, quoted in the answers, your [¿] will perceive, that the expelling [¿] was conidered to be so much a Part of the ordinary academick Discipline, that it is expreſsly committed to the Principal of Masters alone, altho' in later times Explusions have generaly been carried on at an University Meeting in which the Rector presides. There are on the other hand Pieces of Busineſs carried on at a Meeting of the Principal & Masters such as the ordinary Ministration of the Colledge Revenue which like the acts of all other Administration of a Community are subject to the Cognizance of this Court, altho according to the Complrs idea of considering only the of the Meeting at which any Particular Piece of Colledge Busineſs is transacted these last ought not to be liable to any Review. The illustration likewise of his Doctrine which the Complr has drawn from the Case of Father & Child makes clearly agt him. Suppose a Father was to turn his Child out of Doors, neither your [¿] nor any other Court could interpose & take Cognizance whether he had proceeded to this Step upon sufficient grounds or not Because in doing so the Father has been acting within the tenets of that paternal authority with which he is by Law entrusted. If the Father indeed pretends to go one Step father & refuse to aliment the Child whom he has expelled, The Court of Law will no doubt be entitled to interpose; because the Father has here exceeded his Jurisdiction. The refusing to aliment or starving a Chid alive, being a punishment which the Law does not allow a Father to inflict upon any account whatever. Another Preiminary Question is, whether the Respts in the Exercise of their accademick Discipline are bound to observe the strict forms of Judicial Procedure which are established in the ordinary Courts of Law. Upon this point the Complr seems to be a good Deal at a Loſs how to shape his argument & after all his Labour he is reduced to the Neceſsity of doing it in such a manner as effectualy to overturn his own System. He admitts that in Cases of Expulsion there is no Neceſsity that the form of Proceſs should "be precisely the same with that of "your [¿] in civil Actions or of the "Court of Justiciary in criminal ones" but if the Forms of Proceſs in the Courts of Law both civil & criminal are to be laid aside the Respts would gladly know by what Standart it is poſsible for them to regulate their Proceeding except by the Custom of the University & the Laws of common Sense, & according to this Standard the Respts are perfectly willing that the Proceedings agt the Complr should be tried & the Judgement of Expulsion either suspended or affirmed accordingly. That the Respts have done Nothing here that was not sufficiently warranted by the Practise of the University nor violated any one Rule which that Practice had established the Respts apprehend to be a point clear & indisputable. The Complr has not been able to point out any one instance in the Records of the University where the Expulsion of a Bursar has been gone about with greater Regularity or the eſsential forms more exactly adhered to than in the Case under Review. The only difference is that the proceedings in this Case partly by the anxieity of the University Meeting to be perfectly informed with Regard to every Circumstances of the affair before they proceeded to paſs any Judgement, & partly by the obstructions which the Complr himself had contrived to throw in the Way were drawn out to a much greater length than on former occasions; & the Respts will be bold to say that if the objections in Point of form insisted on by the Complr are found good, there is not a single instnce of a Bursar having been legaly or validly expelled since the institution of the University & that every one of them would have an equall good Tittle with teh Complr to be re-instated and as the Complr cannot say with Truth that the proceedings agt him were disagreeable to the former Practice of the University; So is he as little entittled to maintain that they were Contrary to the Rules of Justice or common Sense, as must be obvious on considering the objections which he has made The first & great objection insisted upon by the Complr is, that he was not served wt a formal Indictment. To this objection a very satisfying ansr has been already made, by showing your [¿] that before any Proceedings in the Trial, upon the Complr insisting to know the several Articles of which he was accused, a most particular & distinct Explanation of the whole was given by the University Meeting which was inserted in their Minutes, & the Complr appointed to be furnished wt an Extract of it; so that he was as fully approzed of the Nature of the Charge agt him, as if he had been served wt an indictment drawn up according to all the Punctilios of form. Still the Complr objects, that altho this Declaration might otherwise have answered all the Purposes of a Lybel yet it cannot be regarded as sufficient because 2/3 of the Evidence had been led before the Date of it. This is entirely a Mistake, what the Complr is pleased to call more than Two Thirds of the Evidence is neither more nor leſs than a sort of Precognition or previous Enquiry into the Fact which the University meeting appointed to be made, before any Resolution was formed of proceeding farther either agt the Complr or any other Person. The University meeting had received information, that some Disturbances had happened in the College, but before they proceeded to buy any particular Person it was neceſsary that there should be a previous [Expiscation] of Facts in order to know whether there were sufficient grounds for such Tryal or not. The Result of the Enquiry was [¿] very strong suspicions agt the Complr of some very improper & unbecoming Conduct. It was resolved therefore by the Meeting that he should be proceeded agt in common Form in order that he might have an opportunity of vindicating his Conduct, or if he could not, should be expelled from the Community as an unworthy Member. In the subsequent proceedings however, no Weight whatever is laid upon the Examinations which had been taken in the Course of the Previous Enquiry or Precognition. The whole Witneſses were again examined in the Complrs Presence & he wa allowed to state objections & to put whatever questions to them he had amind, & it was solely upon the Evidence so taken that the Judgement of the University was founded. All this the Respts are advised to be strictly conformable to the Practice of the Criminal Courts of this country. First a Precognition is taken in order to discover the guilty Person & to find whether there be sufficient grounds for commencing a Tryal; Then the Person whom that Precognition loads wt the strongest Suspicion is served wt a Lybel & brought to Tryal. In the Course of that Tryal the Precognition is not founded on as Evidence, but the same Witneſses who had formerly been precognosced, are confronted wt the Pannel & again examined in his Presence, when he is allowed to state objections & to croſs interrogate them. If the Respts therefore have erred at all here it has been by following Step by Step the forms of Procedure established in the Criminal Courts of Law, to the observance of which the Complr upon all other occasions is so paſsionately fond of having them tied up. The Manner in which the Complrs Declaration was taken is also taken notice of as an instance of very improper Conduct in the Respts. The Complr observes, altho it may be true, that the Declaration of a pannel may be laid as Evidence before a Jury, yet that the pannel is at Liberty to emitt such a Declaration or not as he thinks proper, & that when he is brought before a Judge for that purpose, he is entitled to know the particulars of which he is accused. That a party accused is at Lberty to emitt a Declaration or not, is a point which the Respts have no occasion to dispute, as the Complr has not been so hardy as to say that any improper Violence was used to compell him to emitt what is called his Declaration altho as the Proceedings agt him were merely at civilem Effectum he might have been legaly appointed to confeſs or deny the Particular Facts under the usual Certification of being held as confeſsed if he remained Silent. But the Respts have never understood that a Judge before taking a Partys Declaration is under a neceſsity of explaining the Circumstances of the offence wt regard to which he is to be examined. To give such a previous information it is plain could answer no good purpose except to serve as a Directory to the Party accused what Facts he shoudl disguise or Misrepresent & of Consequence to defeat entirely the Purpose of taking the Declaration. The Respts accordingly do maintain, that neither the Law nor Practice of the criminal Courts of this Country require this to be done, & that when a Persons Declaration is going to be taken the Judge does not think it neceſsary that he should be allowed to know any thing about the Matter farther than what he can pick up from the Nature of the Questions that are put to him. Indeed the whole of this Argument is mere affectation upon the Part of the Complr. He will not seriously maintain that when any Part of his Declaration was given he was at all in the Dark with Regard to the particular Circumstances of his Conduct which had give Rise to the Enquiry. It is likewise a undisputable, that the only Part of his Declaration upon which the Respts have founded any argument, was not taken till after the Particulars of the Change agt the Complr were as fully explained to him as Heart could wish by the Declaration of the University Meeting of the 20th Aprill, an Extract of which was appointed to be delivered to him. As to their not having examined the Witneſses upon Oath which is made another ground of Suspension. The Respts have already informed your [¿] that it is not the Practice of the University to examine Witneſses especially young Students upon Oath. During the Two last Seſsions of the College no leſs than three Students were expelled, besides the Complr. & in no one of these Cases was a single Oath administred. In the whole Records of the University amidst the Numberleſs instances of Students being expelled there are only one or two Cases where the Examinations were taken upon oath and that only where either the partys or the Witneſses themselves have insisted upon an oath being administred. In the present Case altho before the meeting came to any determination, the Complainer was called upon and asked if had any thing further to urge in his defence. he did not then or at any other time, insinuate the least doubt of the integrity & honour of the Witneſses, or expreſs the smallest desire that any of them should be put upon oath. A third ground of Suspension is that Several inhabile Witneſses were examined against the Suspender, particularly Mr Robertſon Mr Hay & the whole Witneſses that were adduced upon the part of Mr Robertſon. In order to found an objection to the first of these, [respt], Mr Robertſon, the Complr. is pleased to suppose that this Gentleman & himself were precisely in the situation of two Pannels prosecute upon the same Indictment, any one of whom it is said cannot be admitted as a Witneſs agt the other Even supposing the Paralel to be exact the Respondents are advised that according to the strictest Ideas of Criminal procedure the Declarations of both pannels included in the same Indictment might properly be produced & founded upon ascendence in the joint trial. But to what purpose make a question of this matter for altho Mr Robertſons Declaration, is ingroſsed in the minutes of the Committe, which in point of form was unquestionably proper, yet it makes no part of the Evidence upon which the Judgement of the University Meeting proceeded; the whole facts therein mentioned as the grounds of the Judgement being proved [¿] beyond the poſsibility of a doubt. With regard to Mr Hay the Respts cannot perceive even the Shadow of an objection. The Sum Total of it seems to amount to this that Mr Mutter the Gentleman who exhibited the Complaint, in consequence of which an Enquiry was set on [¿], was his Tutor. Mr Hay himself was no party of ths Complaint, and if it could be supposed that news of Inerest could have any Influence upon this young Gentleman's account of teh affair, that Interest would surely have prompted him to conceal the story of the advertisement altogether. his own concern in it, in allowing himself to be made a fool by the Complr to propagate his malicious Calumny, not being entirely justifiable, or such as a perſon could chuſe to boast of, if it had not been true. As to the Gentlemen whom Mr Robertſon desired to be examined, it is of no sort of Consequence, whether they are held to be good Evidence [¿] the Complainer or not. The fact is, that what they say is perfectly immaterial and the Evidence against the Complr would stand fully as strong, and the Judgement of the University Meeting remain equally well founded, altho' these Declarations were to be that very moment be expunged from the Minutes. As to the first ground of the Judgement pronounced by the University respecting Mr Woodburns behaviour, on St Patricks Day the Respsts think it unneceſsary to add any thing to what has been stated on that head in the answers, and after all that has been said they can have no doubt that his Conduct upon that occasion will appear to your [¿] as it did to them to have been highly improper & unbecoming his Character, both as a Tutor & as a Student of Theologie. If the Complr was so much a Man of the World, that he would not set up as a Censure upon the reedoms of others, he had at least one thing on his power, without violating any of the Laws of good Manners, which was to leave the Compy, wher he saw that hey were bent upon converting their mirth into indecency. With regard to the subsequent & more inexcusable part of his Conduct in transmitting to Mr Robertſon that infamous Lybell, which he is pleased to style a jocular advertisment, the Complr is still more at a loſs how to shape his Defence First he Endeavours to shake himself loose of it altogether, by denying that the paper produced in the University meeting, was the one which he caused to be transmitted to Mr Robertſon, The fact however, is fixed down upon him by evidence that leaves not the smallest room for doubt. Besides the direct And positive Testimony of Mr Robertſon, the whole Circumstances of the res gesta, the appearance of the paper itself half burned as it is, having been thrown into the fire by Mr Robertſon in the first Transport of his Indignation, the very particular Circumstance taken notice of in the Answers, the manner in which it came to be preserved, having been picked up in the Scuffle that happened betwixt Mr Robertſon & the Complr, and what is stronger than the Testimony of a Thousand Witneſses, the shuffling behaviour of the Complr himself, his attempt to suppreſs his concern in the affair altogether, his refusing to say positively whether the paper produced to the Meetingwas the one which he had sent to Mr Robertſon altho' at so short a distance of time, it is impoſsible but that he must have known exactly whether it was so or not, his refusing to name the Perſon who had transcribed it, all these afford most satisfying Evidence how the fact really stood. The Complr is driven to the neceſsity of supposing without evidence & contrary to all probability, that the paper produced to the meeting had been forged by Mr Robertſon himself. But if that Gentleman who has hitherto enjoyed a fair Character, could have been guilty of so base an Action as to forge an informaous Scrawl in orer to heap guilt upon the Complrs head, what temptation could he have after the forgery was committed to burn one half of it, so as to leave room for the Complainer to cavil with regard to the meaning & import of what remains. The Complr has likewise attempted but with equally bad succeſs to explain away the meaning of what remains of the paper, supposing it to be genine The Respts will not trouble your [¿] with any Commentary upon the particular Expreſsions which are made use of either in the first Advertisement, which was given to Mr Hay or in the corrected Copy which was transmitted to Mr Robertſon. It is submitted to your [¿], when both are considered together, if it is poſsible to conceive, that the Complr, did not thereby mean to convey a most infamous & malicious insinuation against Mr Robertſon. The Respts are sensible, that particular Expreſsions however significant & however apt to represent the Idea they are meant to convey are liable to be tortured a thousand ways and may with the aſsistance of a little Critical Ingenuity be brought to mean any thing or to have no meaning at all. But altho the Complr may now pretend to put a gloſs upon what he has wrote, he will find it a Tash somewhat more difficult to explain away the import of his own actions, which are allowed to be the best Commentary upon perſons words and which plainly give the Lie to every one word that he now pleads. If the Complr is right in the interpretation which he now puts upon this paper, how is it poſsible to account for any one Circumstance in his Conduct, with regard to it. If the Complr only meant it as an innocent piece of humour, why so much pains to keep his Concern in it a profund Secret. Why employ a hand different from his own to transcribe the one that was sent to Mr Robertſon, why take the trouble of seducing a young Gentleman to transmit it to Mr Robertſon in a clandestine manner? Why should he afterwards be so anxious with that same Gentleman to keep the matter a dead Secret? or, why endeavour to prevail upon him (as the Complr unquestionably did), to be guilty of so base an action as to retract what he had Disclosed to the Committee upon his first Examination? It may further be urged, to what purpose did the Complr betrat so much artifice & evasion in his appearance before the Committee. Why did he at first refuse to say one word about the matter? why did he refuse to the last to name the Perſon who had transcribed the Second or corrected Copy of the Advertisement? and when the paper in question was shown, why did he avoid Declaring positively whether it was the identical one that he had sent to Mr. Robertſon, which so shortly after he might unquestionably have done with absolute certainty? These are Circumstances liable to no misinterpretation, and by those it is proved, more strongly than by the Testimony of any Witneſses, that the Complr was the real author of this paper and that when he sent it, he was conscious to himself that it's Contents were such as he dared not openly to avow. It is further said that the Complr knows nothing of any such Law existing in the University as that quoted in the answers which subjects the Author of a [¿] Libellus to the punishment of Expulſion. It would have been better, however for him not to have put on this affected ignorance. The Laws of the University of which this is one could not faill to be well known to the Complr, as they are read over to the Students once a year and an Extract of them was produced along with teh answers certified under the hand of the Clerk to the University. As to what the Complr has alleged in order to account for his non-attendance which is the third ground of Expulsion taken notice of in the Sentence of the University, the fact stands shortly his. The Complainer was admitted to his Burſse in the beginning of Winter, 1767, and from the very first admiſsion he discovered a violent Reluctance to giving attendance on the Lectures of his Profeſsor, which the Conditions of his Burſe required, in so much that the Principal was obliged to speak several times to him in private & to write several notes to him during that first Seſsion requiring his regular attendance. But these repeated adminitions did not practice the desired effect, and he continued as he acknowledges to be irregular in his attendance during the whole of this first Seſsion. The Profeſsors in hopes he would attend [tiller] next Seſsion showed their usual lenity and overlooking this as a first fault allowed him the usual precept for his Burse, resolving at the same time to insist more rigoursly upon his attendance during the succeeding Years. About the beginning of last Winter the Complr continued to be as negligent as in the former Seſsion, upon which a mandate in writing was sent to him insisting upon his due attendance under the penalty of forfeiting his Burſe, and in some weeks a publick advertisement was given in the hearing of all the Students, requiring Burſers to attend regularly, with Certification if they did not, they would be refused the Precept for payment of their Salaries, but notwithstanding all these warnings the Complr continued obstinate & would attend only when he thought proper, so that upon this account alone the Univerſity Meeting would have been sufficiently warranted to have applied the Statute quoted in the answers, by the operation of which it cannot be denied that his Burſe was ipso facto forfeited & lost The Reſpondents do not deny that they have on several occasions shown lenity for a first failure of this kind to other Students and they showed the same to the Complr during the first year of his Burſe, but they boldly aver before you [¿] that they never yet have met with any one Student that has shown such a determined diſregard as the Complr has done to all their admonitions. As to the Complr's pretence of want of health as an Excuse for his non attendance, he ought to have produced Evidence of it to the University, but this he well knew was impoſsible, as it was a fact notorious to every person in the College, and to the Masters themselves, that was attending daily upon other busineſs & upon other Claſses at the very time, when he pretends that want of health prevented him from attending, upon that Claſs, to which he was bound to give Attendance by Act of Parliament by the Conditions of his own Bond, as well as by the ordinary College Rules. As to his other pretence that Burſers are only bound to attend four months which is but one half of a seſsion. the Respondents shall only say that they never heard of this doctrine before, and they are certain it has no foundation either in the laws or practice of the Society. In different parts Replies, tho' the Complr. has taken care to let your Lordships know that there are often subsisting parties and disputes betwixt the Profeſsors in this University. Indeed it would have been somewhat miraculous considering that the Society is composed of sixteen persons if no diversity of opinion concerning the measures that happened to be proposed were to arise among them. The Complr. it is believed will hardly pretend to argue that, because the Profeſsors of the College of Glasgow are often divided in their opinion, every thing that they do must be presumed to be unjust and oppreſsive. It is well known, that even in Courts of Law from which all prejudiced and partial views are banished entirely, the most learned and upright Judges will differ as widely from one another as the Profeſsors in the College of Glasgow. These differences in the College will indeed serve to explain to your Lordships one thing, which upon considering the circumstances of this case, must it is believed have appeared entirely unaccountable viz. how it could come to paſs that the judgement expelling the Complainer upon so just grounds was not the Act and Deed of the whole members of the University without one diſsenting voice: For your Lordships will be informed that although none of the Profeſsors would go so far as to vote that the Complainer was a proper person to remain a Studet in this University yet several of them choose to absent themselves entirely from the proceedings with regard to him for which conduct of his friends, the Complainer himself seems unknowingly to have aſsigned the true reason. The Complainer has likewise given your Lordships a very imperfect account of another trial which he had occasion to to stand for some former offences before an university Meeting. The Respondents own that they were not a little surprised to see the least mention of this trial thrown out in a paper which is offered in that Gentlemans name. As to their own concern in it, were the Respondents permitted here to enter into a full detail, they have not the smallest doubt that they would be able justify to your Lordships satisfaction eveery one step in the whole proceedings, unleſs it be the exceſsive lenity of the sentence. The Complainer has mentioend as his only offence some contemptuous expreſsions thrown out against the teachers of these Sciences in the study of which he was engaged which your Lordships perhaps will not consider to have been entirely proper when proceeding from the mouth of a Student, but although the Respondents might have overlooked a piece of levity and indiscretion of which they themselves alone were the objects, yet it appeared to them to be a matter worthy of serious animadversion when they saw a Student of Theology talking with unbecoming disrespect of the Author of that Religion to the particular service of which he was educatated at the publick expense. With the same disregard to truth the Complainer represents the Lord Rector as his friend when publickly accused. This was by no means the case. His Lorship blamed Mr. Woodburn strongly, and likewise blamed & justly blamed the Judicial manner in which he was tried and for which he argues in so strenuous a manner. In like manner he mentions the trial of one of the Defenders for a supposed Challenge to fight. But never was any example more unlucky. for in the first place it was only an Implied challenge, and in the second place there was neither libel given nor council allowed. In like manner he says the Profeſsors told him that attendance would not be required which is all a chimera of his own framing. In short the aſsertions which he makes are so ill founded that it would be transgreſsing on your Lordships Patience to point out their falsehood. The Complainer has taken care when he can find any thing like an opportunity to insist for further proofs and investifation of facts The tendendency of all this is abundantly obvious His great object is to get the Bill paſsed, imagining poſsibly that if this point is gained till such time as the Suspension shall be discuſsed he wil continue to have all the provileges of a Student, and will by that means be enabled to create fresh troubles and disturbances in the University. The Respondents on the other hand are humbly confident that the Judgement of the University will appear to your Lordships to be entirely well founded, from what appears from the face of the minutes themselves without any further evidence, and that you will take this opportunity of strengthning their hands in the exercise of that important trust which is committed to them by refusing the Bill Your Lordships doing so can be of no bad consequence to the Suspender though he were supposed to have reason to complain of the Judgement; because if he be so advised an action before your Lordships is open to him for redreſs, and though the Bil were paſsed, he could reap no benefit from it without an action, as the Decree craved to be suspended Decerns nothing to be paid or performed that is capable of being stayed by a suspension. The sentence expelling him the University which of course deprives of him of his Bursary requires no further execution, and therefore the only proper remedy competent to the Complainer, or that can have any effect, is an action of Reduction which if your Lordships please you may reserve to him in the Deliverance refusing the Bill. This is evidently all that can be done, for a suspension cannot call back any Degree already executed, or which requires no execution. So though a Suspension were expede, it could have no effect, till in a Reduction your Lordships should set aside the Decree. This the Respondents humbly hope will never happen, and as the paſsing of this bill might be made a handle for the Complainers disturbing the peace of the Society to no purpose, it is not doubted your Lordships will see cause to refuse the Bill, Reserving to the Complainer his action of Reduction as accords In Respect Whereof &c Attested copy Interlocutor refusing the Bill of Suspension Edinbr 16th. Septr. 1769 The Lord Ordinary having considered this Bill, answers Replies and Duplies with the writes produced, finds the reasons of suspension not Relevant, refuses this Bill, Reserving Reduction as accords (Signed) Dav. Dalrymple I Charles Inglis Depute Clerk to the Bills hereby certify that what is above written is a just and true Copy of the Interlocutor pronounced by Lord Hailes Ordinary As witneſs my hand at Edinburgh this 18th. day of September 1769. (Signed) Cha. Inglis