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lyricists who were poets f963: | mm | m762: musicians dancers actors directors |
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time but you know f963: | mm | m762: p- lots of elderly |
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and then they ll f963: | mm | m762: play sort of more |
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jagger film that f963: mm | mm | m762: that kind of thing |
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if women worked f963: well | mm | m762: they weren t looking |
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history that is theirs yeah | mm | m762: you know this kind |
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my own you know f963: | mm | mm [laugh] right m762: just |
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deeper you get metaphysically f963: | mm | mm m762: and also in |
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up anyway actually but f963: | mm | mm m762: if you re |
neologistic expletives but also f963: | mm | mm m762: in terms of |
realise actually how close f963: | mm | mm m762: it still is |
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of authority or whatever yeah | mm | mm m762: peoples they would |
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to ask why did f963: | mm | mm m762: those people not |
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and in a way f963: | mm | mm right yeah m762: a |
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them anyway you know f963: | mm | mmhm m762: erm i ve |
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book so i actually f963: | mm | mmhm m762: erm she drove |
and see the older f963: | mm | mmhm m762: film and even |
been it wasn t f963: | mm | mmhm m762: for everybody and |
a bit of indulgence f963: | mm | mmhm m762: going on i |
and he and he f963: | mm | mmhm m762: got a crap |
know f963: right yes mmhm | mm | mmhm m762: i m k- |
of leveller you know f963: | mm | mmhm m762: i mean i |
energy and then go f963: | mm | mmhm m762: i mean i |
years f963: [laugh] right [laugh] | mm | mmhm m762: i mean this |
erm f963: mm mmhm right | mm | mmhm m762: i think i |
cooker effect f963: [inaudible] yeah | mm | mmhm m762: i wanted all |
you know and how f963: | mm | mmhm m762: it might [?]inspissate[/?] |
i mean it s f963: | mm | mmhm m762: it s almost |
and i kind of f963: | mm | mmhm m762: it s layered |
of thing which which f963: | mm | mmhm m762: kind of follows |
know that you can f963: | mm | mmhm m762: kind of seek |
and and f963: mm mm | mm | mmhm m762: like if you |
think from reading epics f963: | mm | mmhm m762: like the shahnameh |
t really walk into f963: | mm | mmhm m762: magic realism but |
you know like er f963: | mm | mmhm m762: manto hasan saadat |
are neolog- f963: yeah [laugh] | mm | mmhm m762: neologistic expletives but |
be quite dangerous now yeah | mm | mmhm m762: now but in |
county you know so f963: | mm | mmhm m762: now it s |
twentieth century and burns f963: | mm | mmhm m762: of course sc- |
you know and and f963: | mm | mmhm m762: of weird things |
mm yeah right yeah yeah | mm | mmhm m762: often about nothing |
renfrewshire you know between f963: | mm | mmhm m762: paisley and barrhead |
any more than f963: yeah | mm | mmhm m762: people that listen |
which is a f963: mm | mm | mmhm m762: political construct which |
things as well f963: mm | mm | mmhm m762: posted on the |
deliberate policy i mean f963: | mm | mmhm m762: public schools were |
know some some little f963: | mm | mmhm m762: re- reference to |
let s let s f963: | mm | mmhm m762: scratch under the |
that i was f963: yeah | mm | mmhm m762: shoddy about it |
d- dead now erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: sort of er |
they re gonna resolve f963: | mm | mmhm m762: that s part |
the music you know f963: | mm | mmhm m762: that that was |
thinking about f963: mm yes | mm | mmhm m762: that was another |
was it was erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: the jago was |
novels erm f963: mm mmhm | mm | mmhm m762: the only thing |
ways so we have f963: | mm | mmhm m762: the standard imperial |
of dig down into f963: | mm | mmhm m762: the stratum strata |
legends from you know f963: | mm | mmhm m762: then it then |
holding anything back erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: then you are |
sleepers were still f963: mm | mm | mmhm m762: there and the |
you know and then f963: | mm | mmhm m762: there are so |
i didn t think f963: | mm | mmhm m762: this is the |
in so she became f963: | mm | mmhm m762: this sort of |
from different places and f963: | mm | mmhm m762: times and so |
period you know where f963: | mm | mmhm m762: to a small |
if i had f963: mm | mm | mmhm m762: to rewrite psychoraag |
it different you know f963: | mm | mmhm m762: transform it in |
and looking at that f963: | mm | mmhm m762: very sort of |
yes oh very true yeah | mm | mmhm m762: whatever that was |
people or from outside f963: | mm | mmhm m762: when they talk |
in standard english f963: mm | mm | mmhm m762: where there okay |
the time [laugh] mm yeah | mm | mmhm m762: where well exactly |
a fragile person erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: with hopes and |
world in a sense f963: | mm | mmhm m762: you know almost |
what i mean erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: you know and |
as we as we f963: | mm | mmhm m762: you know er |
virginia woolf and erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: you know erm |
mmhm right yes yeah mmhm | mm | mmhm m762: you know i |
so forth and so f963: | mm | mmhm m762: you know i |
well you know tolkien f963: | mm | mmhm m762: you know obviously |
an older age group f963: | mm | mmhm m762: you know people |
oh yes absolutely mmhm mm | mm | mmhm m762: you know people |
and so forth and f963: | mm | mmhm m762: you know you |
then what f963: yeah mm | mm | mmhm m762: you speak is |
off erm and and f963: | mm | mmhm mm m762: all of |
really that puts f963: mm | mm | mmhm mm m762: it gets |
and all that stuff f963: | mm | mmhm mm m762: well it |
well spring i think f963: | mm | mmhm mm m762: you know |
nineteenth century novels erm f963: | mm | mmhm mm mmhm m762: the |
you know and so f963: | mm | mmhm mm yeah m762: and |
hits you know erm f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: and and |
you know and erm f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: and and |
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and and glasgow s f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: no exception |
the head of a f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: pin type |
son s name is f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: qaisar which |
and i hadn t f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: read lanark |
read things but also f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: that was |
know i wasn t f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: you know |
as is appropriate er f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: you know |
the dramatic tension if f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm mmhm yeah m762: |
writers and so on f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm right m762: from |
society as well and f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm right m762: i |
you know and erm f963: | mm | mmhm right m762: and i |
the whole thing and f963: | mm | mmhm right m762: and that |
s still happening and f963: | mm | mmhm right m762: er erm |
folk tales erm legends f963: | mm | mmhm right m762: er you |
scottish parlance you know f963: | mm | mmhm right m762: erm so |
of thinking about that f963: | mm | mmhm right m762: erm you |
and you know f963: mm | mm | mmhm right m762: put it |
boundaries you know except f963: | mm | mmhm right m762: the story |
people have done erm f963: | mm | mmhm right mm mmhm m762: |
tempting anyway but erm f963: | mm | mmhm right yeah [laugh] m762: |
recognise that you know f963: | mm | mmhm right yeah m762: er |
tolkien the entire everything f963: | mm | mmhm right yeah m762: erm |
all that stuff erm f963: | mm | mmhm right yeah mmhm m762: |
rhythms because they went f963: | mm | mmhm right yeah mmhm m762: |
and maybe radio luxembourg f963: | mm | mmhm right yeah mmhm m762: |
mind erm you know f963: | mm | mmhm right yeah yeah m762: |
you know but erm f963: | mm | mmhm sure m762: you know |
stuff erm f963: right yeah | mm | mmhm sure yeah m762: stuff |
know the van driver f963: | mm | mmhm [tut] oh m762: gardener |
er you know because f963: | mm | mmhm yeah [laugh] m762: well |
that s been done f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: ad nauseam |
fluidity you know erm f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: and and |
very broad you know f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: and then |
it s f963: yes yeah | mm | mmhm yeah m762: but it |
as a lot of f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: children do |
of time i think f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: erm though |
know where where where f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: he and |
possible because of this f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: history of |
cause i wasn t f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: i was |
idea was that the f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: place you |
he always f963: mm [laugh] | mm | mmhm yeah m762: pleasantly surprised |
england you know erm f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: quite a |
everything that i write f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: so that |
erm f963: yeah [laugh] yes | mm | mmhm yeah m762: that s |
think that you realise f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: that when |
your physical f963: mm mm | mm | mmhm yeah m762: the sound |
erm er it s f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: together with |
colonial administrator colonial agents f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: were in |
she demanded that story f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: which is |
it kind of f963: yes | mm | mmhm yeah m762: with my |
blah erm f963: right yeah | mm | mmhm yeah m762: you know |
deliberately artificial f963: mm mm | mm | mmhm yeah m762: you know |
writing is artifice f963: mm | mm | mmhm yeah mm [laugh] m762: |
than the other person f963: | mm | mmhm yeah mm m762: coming |
you know f963: [laugh] yeah | mm | mmhm yeah mm m762: which |
that live in metr- f963: | mm | mmhm yeah mm mm m762: |
doctor obviously i i f963: | mm | mmhm yeah mm mm m762: |
was broken you know f963: | mm | mmhm yeah mmhm m762: by |
much erm again scottish f963: | mm | mmhm yeah mmhm m762: er |
or falling apart f963: yeah | mm | mmhm yeah mmhm m762: in |
africa you know and f963: | mm | mmhm yeah mmhm m762: th- |
and fine you know f963: | mm | mmhm yeah mmhm m762: that |
erm and just to f963: | mm | mmhm yeah mmhm m762: to |
and as well as f963: | mm | mmhm yeah mmhm mmhm m762: |
there and you know f963: | mm | mmhm yeah right m762: do |
a lot of people f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah m762: did |
lets fly you know f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah m762: erm |
you know and so f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah m762: erm |
s significant so erm f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah m762: i |
this idea of land f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah m762: migration |
but that wasn t f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah m762: my |
into two you know f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah m762: or |
be a key to f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah m762: structural |
things flow and so f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yes m762: you |
in retrospect i ve f963: | mm | mmhm yes yeah m762: drawn |
through you know erm f963: | mm | mmhm yes yeah m762: er |
wouldn t call it f963: | mm | mmhm yes yeah m762: if |
isn t it f963: [laugh] | mm | mmhm yes yeah mmhm m762: |
scottish you know and f963: | mm | mmhm yes yes yeah m762: |
we don t realise f963: | mm | right m762: and and and |
it might have f963: mm | mm | right m762: be changing now |
to that you know f963: | mm | right m762: er and a |
you know so they f963: | mm | right m762: had to accept |
else had bikes f963: mmhm | mm | right m762: or or used |
what i m writing f963: | mm | right m762: so all these |
still is you know f963: | mm | right m762: you just have |
on and so forth f963: | mm | right mmhm mmhm m762: so |
standard english f963: mm mm | mm | right right m762: and it |
a persian word f963: mmhm | mm | right right yeah m762: for |
i enjoyed it too f963: | mm | right right yeah yeah m762: |
people sort of decide f963: | mm | right yeah [laugh] m762: to |
in a way f963: mm | mm | right yeah m762: a de |
think you know f963: mm | mm | right yeah m762: and obviously |
what are the f963: mm | mm | right yeah m762: consequences for |
erm you look f963: mm | mm | right yeah m762: into the |
you because f963: mm mm | mm | right yeah m762: that s |
you know but but f963: | mm | right yeah m762: you know |
several different things erm f963: | mm | right yeah mmhm m762: a |
know different times erm f963: | mm | right yeah mmhm m762: and |
it s be- f963: mm | mm | right yeah mmhm m762: it |
diaspora of a broad f963: | mm | right yeah mmhm m762: period |
and that was it f963: | mm | right yeah yeah m762: erm |
and so on erm f963: | mm | right yeah yeah m762: largely |
india and pakistan both f963: | mm | right yeah yeah m762: the |
they re not [inaudible] f963: | mm | right yes yeah [laugh] m762: |
f963: mm yes yeah mmhm | mm | right yes yeah m762: a |
in his memories m762: yeah | mm | she s be- almost be- |
very good ways yeah m762: | mm | totally totally you don t |
kind of iberian f963: mm | mm | [tut] right right yeah m762: |
i i don t m762: | mm | [tut] yeah f963: know much |
in terms of writing m762: | mm | well everything i read really |
know if you call m762: | mm | yeah f963: a tree a |
out if you like m762: | mm | yeah f963: with him yo- |
talking about them and f963: | mm | yeah [laugh] yeah m762: because |
the sixties for example f963: | mm | yeah m762: although there are |
know f963: yeah [laugh] yeah | mm | yeah m762: and erm i |
and so f963: mm mmhm | mm | yeah m762: and it s |
you know that f963: mm | mm | yeah m762: er as well |
on and on f963: mm | mm | yeah m762: erm and how |
you know erm f963: mm | mm | yeah m762: erm you know |
know erm used to f963: | mm | yeah m762: hy- hypnotic green |
the the nineteenth century f963: | mm | yeah m762: i mean i |
yeah yeah mm yeah mm | mm | yeah m762: i mean you |
want to call it f963: | mm | yeah m762: in that sense |
that hadn t f963: mm | mm | yeah m762: perhaps been done |
don t know what f963: | mm | yeah m762: what is going |
of you know erm f963: | mm | yeah m762: y- you get |
of f963: right yeah mmhm | mm | yeah mm m762: and that |
but you know f963: mm | mm | yeah mm m762: i didn |
mm [laugh] yeah yeah [laugh] | mm | yeah mm m762: you know |
you know erm f963: mm | mm | yeah mm m762: you know |
movement f963: right yeah yeah | mm | yeah mm mm yeah m762: |
was you know erm f963: | mm | yeah mm mmhm m762: and |
protesters half the time [laugh] | mm | yeah mm mmhm m762: where |
america north america f963: yeah | mm | yeah mmhm m762: but mainly |
where there s f963: mm | mm | yeah mmhm mmhm m762: no |
but it s interesting f963: | mm | yeah uh huh m762: because |
know what i mean f963: | mm | yeah yeah m762: as someone |
you know because f963: mm | mm | yeah yeah m762: ordinary people |
you know f963: yes yes | mm | yeah yeah m762: over the |
as as as just f963: | mm | yeah yeah m762: readers would |
f963: right yeah yeah mm | mm | yeah yeah m762: remade you |
know erm and zilla f963: | mm | yeah yeah m762: somebody said |
mmhm mmhm right [laugh] yeah | mm | yeah yeah m762: to the |
mean and i f963: mm | mm | yeah yeah m762: you know |
thinking kind of f963: mm | mm | yeah yeah mmhm [laugh] m762: |
erm f963: yes yeah [laugh] | mm | yeah yeah mmhm m762: and |
power about it f963: yeah | mm | yeah yeah mmhm m762: isn |
i think possibly f963: mm | mm | yeah yeah mmhm mm m762: |
mean and so f963: mm | mm | yeah yes yeah m762: i |
you know [laugh] erm f963: | mm | yes [laugh] m762: galvanised by |
that was the attitude f963: | mm | yes m762: working women were |
about or thinking about f963: | mm | yes mm mmhm m762: that |
atmosphere actually you know f963: | mm | yes mmhm m762: and then |
would you know erm f963: | mm | yes mmhm m762: explore you |
you know erm f963: mmhm | mm | yes yeah m762: and and |
zaf hints at that f963: | mm | yes yeah m762: that she |
you know people f963: mm | mm | yes yeah mmhm m762: are |
to read and i f963: | mm | yes yeah mmhm m762: enjoyed |
it in the text f963: | mm | yes yeah mmhm mmhm m762: |
f963: mm mm right well | mm | yes yeah uh huh m762: |
they don t erm f963: | mm | yes yeah uh huh m762: |
and all that stuff f963: | mm | yes yeah yeah mmhm m762: |
sense yeah [laugh] f963: mm | mm | and lots of different influences |
they looked so good f963: | mm | are you a witch [laugh] |
it was always lovely f963: | mm | aw f965: but you never |
nineteen sixty mm six f963: | mm | because i mean the more |
tiny little number or f963: | mm | but if you do know |
all the way through f963: | mm | did you still do the |
but it s all relative | mm | f963: and so they were |
not against the wall oh | mm | f963: but it was called |
of energetic games and f965: | mm | f963: erm it was quite |
makes you m964: mm f965: | mm | f963: feel that wee bit |
and there s us f965: | mm | f963: like never the twain |
living near my school m964: | mm | f963: mm f965: because we |
m964: it did yes f965: | mm | f963: mm i suppose you |
prestwick during the war m964: | mm | f963: mm mmhm f965: and |
was a huge undertaking m964: | mm | f963: mmhm f965: and it |
s not too stodgy m964: | mm | f963: mmhm mmhm f965: and |
my career is tig m964: | mm | f963: mmhm right f965: because |
had the term of f965: | mm | f963: oh m964: hitting someone |
had never heard before m964: | mm | f963: oh mmhm f965: erm |
crocodiles on them [laugh] m964: | mm | f963: oh right [laugh] lacoste |
you were at school m964: | mm | f963: oh yeah we did |
an there was an m964: | mm | f963: readily so f965: aerodrome |
mopeds and listening to f965: | mm | f963: ska music it s |
this really low [laugh] f965: | mm | f963: speed by our standards |
to the business anyway f965: | mm | f963: then they were learning |
hockey things like that f965: | mm | f963: which is you know |
anti vietnam demonstrations and m964: | mm | f963: yeah mmhm f965: national |
being in the game m964: | mm | f963: yes f965: but not |
it was a long time | mm | f963: you know it s |
we played rounders and f965: | mm | f963: you know we played |
sizes of balls y- f963: | mm | f965: a a limited number |
she made it in f963: | mm | f965: a cloot f963: right |
more formalised uh huh m964: | mm | f965: a formal fight f963: |
girl i remember her f963: | mm | f965: absolutely epitomising this young |
children have to be f963: | mm | f965: actually have to shown |
got into serious bother f963: | mm | f965: and as you pointed |
wouldn t initiate it f963: | mm | f965: and er it seemed |
presumably f963: uh huh mm | mm | f965: and erm cause they |
a fight m964: [inaudible] f963: | mm | f965: and erm i m |
came from the south f963: | mm | f965: and from here nottingham |
knew he was leaving f963: | mm | f965: and he said looking |
he played the guitar f963: | mm | f965: and he was er |
we played loud music f963: | mm | f965: and i didn t |
name was very unusual f963: | mm | f965: and i said do |
do things like that f963: | mm | f965: and it s kids |
erm with his mum f963: | mm | f965: and she was getting |
clock in the morning f963: | mm | f965: and sometimes we played |
i don t know f963: | mm | f965: and sometimes you could |
was fabulous with money f963: | mm | f965: and that s an |
skipping rope to school f963: | mm | f965: and then it became |
a point m964: yeah f963: | mm | f965: and then the next |
this f965: absolutely absolutely f963: | mm | f965: and there are advantages |
the supermarket one day f963: | mm | f965: and there was a |
the music area f963: yeah | mm | f965: and they could play |
they often adore it f963: | mm | f965: and they want to |
in my fourth year f963: | mm | f965: and we had nothing |
down like a horse f963: | mm | f965: and you only got |
golf course one day f963: | mm | f965: and you weren t |
i went to school f963: | mm | f965: at chirnsyde primary school |
you remember miss [censored: surname] f963: | mm | f965: at school f963: uh |
t want to know f963: | mm | f965: b nobody wanted to |
to the police f963: mm | mm | f965: because as i say |
next door to me f963: | mm | f965: because my life is |
far as i remember f963: | mm | f965: because remember this was |
i was at school f963: | mm | f965: because the colour i |
was a special assembly f963: | mm | f965: because the local minister |
my school m964: mm f963: | mm | f965: because we did have |
you regulate that now f963: | mm | f965: because we would admit |
arguments with with blows f963: | mm | f965: but erm there were |
like chips poker yeah m964: | mm | f965: but f963: i see |
children will do that f963: | mm | f965: but i when i |
and so on f963: mm | mm | f965: but it really didn |
in it s way f963: | mm | f965: but it s er |
was just my school f963: | mm | f965: but it would be |
just have sat quietly f963: | mm | f965: but now they don |
read that well f963: yeah | mm | f965: but she was fabulous |
an old wooden desk f963: | mm | f965: but that added to |
they feel their way f963: | mm | f965: but that might be |
teddy boys here f963: mm | mm | f965: but the- they tended |
t afraid m964: clearly f963: | mm | f965: but there were criminals |
you were the winner f963: | mm | f965: but what was the |
to nottingham but they f963: | mm | f965: came up and sh- |
you know things like f963: | mm | f965: cars what kind of |
people were quite poor f963: | mm | f965: children didn t need |
they certainly had their f963: | mm | f965: clothes were very central |
or nobody under age f963: | mm | f965: could go in the |
t play football just f963: | mm | f965: did not play it |
put in the corner f963: | mm | f965: do you know what |
what i ve observed f963: | mm | f965: er yeah they re |
that was enhanced it f963: | mm | f965: er you got writing |
that i can remember f963: | mm | f965: erm but then i |
don t exist now f963: | mm | f965: erm even when you |
were respectful of authority f963: | mm | f965: far more respectful and |
know if they said f963: | mm | f965: go and do so |
didn t know this f963: | mm | f965: he showed us photographs |
lost art we were f963: | mm | f965: horrified at how few |
stand in the corner f963: | mm | f965: i did use the |
known in england f963: mm | mm | f965: i think that must |
and becoming nuisances f963: yes | mm | f965: in the olden days |
of anything to do f963: | mm | f965: in the playground and |
whatever they talk luxemburgish f963: | mm | f965: is it that what |
life is and erm f963: | mm | f965: it s one of |
anticipating an invasion f963: mm | mm | f965: it was going to |
was a gipsy camp f963: | mm | f965: it wasn t really |
you could remember the f963: | mm | f965: kids who went to |
ones that they got f963: | mm | f965: later f963: right f965: |
was passé you know f963: | mm | f965: let them do what |
a mild christmas pudding f963: | mm | f965: like a pale mild |
f965: we have dumplings f963: | mm | f965: like that too that |
area it seem- f963: mm | mm | f965: looking back it certainly |
f963: detailed f965: detailed f963: | mm | f965: maps of the whole |
it it makes you m964: | mm | f965: mm f963: feel that |
time trying to remember f963: | mm | f965: my i was only |
that the right word f963: | mm | f965: my observation [laugh] f963: |
[sniff] and then f963: mmhm | mm | f965: no she isn t |
move like no kicking f963: | mm | f965: none o that stuff |
a definite erm fear f963: | mm | f965: of destroying things you |
would have it maybe f963: | mm | f965: on a sunday lunch |
in the morning f963: [laugh] | mm | f965: on christmas day with |
five and i could f963: | mm | f965: only remember the bad |
off the wall f963: [laugh] | mm | f965: or you lifted [laugh] |
scottish country dance music f963: | mm | f965: played on it so |
school not in the f963: | mm | f965: playground but maybe in |
is that a surprise m964: | mm | f965: really f963: oh we |
you know how you f963: | mm | f965: remember your childhood teachers |
absolutely brilliant at maths f963: | mm | f965: rotten at everything else |
taught in glasgow were f963: | mm | f965: seriously deprived in many |
or not career criminals f963: | mm | f965: shall we say m964: |
f965: fabulous at maths f963: | mm | f965: she could do any |
she was a mod f963: | mm | f965: she was known as |
very very exotic f963: mm | mm | f965: she was more mod |
with my face f963: mm | mm | f965: so it was it |
this may be apocryphal f963: | mm | f965: some people had beautiful |
[cough] f965: it needed f963: | mm | f965: somebody available to make |
f963: uh huh yeah m964: | mm | f965: somebody s got a |
be taught now by f963: | mm | f965: specialist people that come |
life is less rich f963: | mm | f965: than it is if |
has shifted so much f963: | mm | f965: that it you spend |
place in this country f963: | mm | f965: that people were not |
school was so small f963: | mm | f965: that we could actually |
shelters along the beach f963: | mm | f965: that were not vandalised |
tell your parents f963: yeah | mm | f965: that you d been |
it could be rage f963: | mm | f965: the best possible thing |
m964: mmhm f963: mm m964: | mm | f965: the circus was on |
sounds a little pc f963: | mm | f965: the fact was everybody |
were the kind of f963: | mm | f965: the kids that had |
loud parties and the f963: | mm | f965: the loose people coming |
f963: mmhm yeah yeah m964: | mm | f965: there was also there |
even of employment age f963: | mm | f965: they could be sitting |
t get right round f963: | mm | f965: they didn t score |
d forgotten this f963: mm | mm | f965: they used to have |
whatever their environment is f963: | mm | f965: they will find a |
might have wanted to f963: | mm | f965: to damage things but |
social services or whatever f963: | mm | f965: to do stuff with |
that extremely liberal movement f963: | mm | f965: to say oh hey |
the person in authority f963: | mm | f965: told you what to |
hand touch your heel f963: | mm | f965: touch your toe f963: |
roll f963: mm mmhm m964: | mm | f965: [tut] and it all |
games the children initiated f963: | mm | f965: unless i know when |
you know that mum f963: | mm | f965: wasn t at work |
parents had been regimented f963: | mm | f965: we still had national |
of it involved football f963: | mm | f965: we were so lucky |
nobody was ever out f963: | mm | f965: what you did was |
know do you know f963: | mm | f965: when i taught as |
happen in this town f963: | mm | f965: when i was growing |
a middle class environment f963: | mm | f965: where people were were |
to avoid party games f963: | mm | f965: where somebody where people |
to be a football f963: | mm | f965: where the whole tig |
working with in england f963: | mm | f965: where you ha- oh |
kind of happy medium f963: | mm | f965: where you re protected |
middle class i suppose f963: | mm | f965: who didn t break |
in these old photographs m964: | mm | f965: yeah f963: so there |
[laugh] f963: [laugh] uh huh | mm | f965: yeah there s you |
and f963: for shoes yeah | mm | f965: yeah thick sole crêpe |
they do now f963: mm | mm | f965: you didn t make |
how you do it f963: | mm | f965: you do not digress |
being constantly entertained f963: [laugh] | mm | f965: you know i i |
of stuff an f963: mm | mm | f965: you know if you |
were going to f963: mm | mm | f965: you know they re |
t have a borderline f963: | mm | f965: you know who don |
for you f963: mm mm | mm | f965: you know you got |
and still at school f963: | mm | f965: you might lean towards |
just an ordinary throw f963: | mm | f965: you said plainy [laugh] |
that are similar [laugh] f963: | mm | f965: you see the same |
they still get those f963: | mm | i don t know f965: |
talked about teddy girls f963: | mm | i haven t heard of |
they would make it f963: | mm | i just sort of f965: |
that work exactly f963: mm | mm | i mean wh- when f965: |
did yes f965: mm f963: | mm | i suppose you had the |
and you think f963: mm | mm | [inhale] what s it done |
dig down and and f963: | mm | it s a genuine history |
daylights out of you f963: | mm | it s true f965: so |
what i mean f963: mm | mm | [laugh] and been processed [laugh] |
culture as i recall f963: | mm | [laugh] f965: [inhale] you would |
f965: my observation [laugh] f963: | mm | [laugh] f965: is so poor |
twat basically and [laugh] f963: | mm | [laugh] [laugh] right yeah yeah |
mm m964: but er f963: | mm | [laugh] m964: but yes yeah |
it like a cake f963: | mm | [laugh] yeah m964: it was |
you know you know f963: | mm | [laugh] yeah well it s |
you know i mean f963: | mm | [laugh] yeah yeah [laugh] mm |
know sort of f963: [laugh] | mm | [laugh] yes mm yes oh |
that s the thing f963: | mm | [laugh] yes yeah and his |
f965: [laugh] yeah [laugh] f963: | mm | m964: and it also happened |
[laugh] f963: [laugh] uh huh | mm | m964: [cough] f965: because we |
f965: mmhm f963: mm mmhm | mm | m964: erm it s just |
in [laugh] m964: mmhm f963: | mm | m964: mm f965: the circus |
are you a rocker f963: | mm | m964: right f965: because there |
do you think that f963: | mm | m964: the community here is |
german with a [inaudible] f963: | mm | m964: well it s german |
as a happy medium f963: | mm | m964: when we lived in |
bun is so dense f963: | mm | m964: yes it s very |
him in the shin f963: | mm | m964: you didn t have |
literal sense yeah [laugh] f963: | mm | mm and lots of different |
general subject and it f965: | mm | mm f963: included things like |
limit presumably f963: uh huh | mm | mm f965: and erm cause |
attitude to the police f963: | mm | mm f965: because as i |
groups and so on f963: | mm | mm f965: but it really |
were anticipating an invasion f963: | mm | mm f965: it was going |
was very very exotic f963: | mm | mm f965: she was more |
obviously with my face f963: | mm | mm f965: so it was |
i d forgotten this f963: | mm | mm f965: they used to |
way they do now f963: | mm | mm f965: you didn t |
of of stuff an f963: | mm | mm f965: you know if |
they were going to f963: | mm | mm f965: you know they |
good for you f963: mm | mm | mm f965: you know you |
did that work exactly f963: | mm | mm i mean wh- when |
sticks and you think f963: | mm | mm [inhale] what s it |
know what i mean f963: | mm | mm [laugh] and been processed |
was good for you f963: | mm | mm mm f965: you know |
of beatnik m964: [inaudible] f963: | mm | mm mm mmhm did you |
kind of like that f963: | mm | mm mmhm f965: i tho- |
all writing is artifice f963: | mm | mm mmhm yeah mm [laugh] |
and it stops them f963: | mm | mm right or they feel |
think it does exist f963: | mm | mm right well mm yes |
nurse isn t she f963: | mm | mm right yeah yeah mmhm |
the kind of iberian f963: | mm | mm [tut] right right yeah |
t a repressive regime f963: | mm | mm uh huh f965: it |
respectable member of society f963: | mm | mm yeah uh huh f965: |
re thinking kind of f963: | mm | mm yeah yeah mmhm [laugh] |
experience i think possibly f963: | mm | mm yeah yeah mmhm mm |
er you know erm f963: | mm | mm yeah yeah mmhm yeah |
path of this journey f963: | mm | mm yes mm mmhm [tut] |
know [laugh] you know f963: | mm | mm yes yeah [laugh] it |
something in the twenties f963: | mm | mmhm ah right oh yeah |
your kids play there f963: | mm | mmhm be quite dangerous now |
for me really ish f963: | mm | mmhm but you had teddy |
and quite erm ritualised f963: | mm | mmhm did everybody ki- sort |
m964: [inaudible] f963: mm mm | mm | mmhm did you hang out |
s only one marbles game | mm | mmhm f963: that we- that |
would be in your day | mm | mmhm f963: yeah i remember |
decca had a programme f963: | mm | mmhm f965: and capitol records |
because i had to f963: | mm | mmhm f965: and i m |
maybe in the field f963: | mm | mmhm f965: and it s |
the war m964: mm f963: | mm | mmhm f965: and it was |
had her own roundabout f963: | mm | mmhm f965: and she was |
was there on supply f963: | mm | mmhm f965: and she was |
to stop them f963: yeah | mm | mmhm f965: and they would |
had a travelling fair f963: | mm | mmhm f965: and this wee |
down there you know f963: | mm | mmhm f965: and when she |
for them as well f963: | mm | mmhm f965: apart from football |
his wife who knows f963: | mm | mmhm f965: but certainly children |
to be around children f963: | mm | mmhm f965: but children are |
probably just being hit f963: | mm | mmhm f965: but maybe that |
the school every year f963: | mm | mmhm f965: [censored: forename] was her |
old person direction but f963: | mm | mmhm f965: children had there |
fancying somebody you know f963: | mm | mmhm f965: er ha- you |
came in you know f963: | mm | mmhm f965: erm but as |
get the guy off f963: | mm | mmhm f965: erm this is |
was a small town f963: | mm | mmhm f965: everybody knew him |
or beef or something f963: | mm | mmhm f965: i i don |
my anonymity m964: [sniff] f963: | mm | mmhm f965: i think when |
of like that f963: mm | mm | mmhm f965: i tho- i |
the mainstream radio f963: [laugh] | mm | mmhm f965: i- they presented |
a rocker f963: mmhm mmhm | mm | mmhm f965: if you re |
such a thing existed f963: | mm | mmhm f965: in our society |
the eyes and and f963: | mm | mmhm f965: it really was |
to america somewhere like f963: | mm | mmhm f965: kentucky or i |
imports like perry mason f963: | mm | mmhm f965: lawyer detective and |
ground f963: mm mmhm mm | mm | mmhm f965: or somebody might |
four to primary seven f963: | mm | mmhm f965: so i really |
a wee while ago f963: | mm | mmhm f965: the- they re |
got terribly badly injured f963: | mm | mmhm f965: there was a |
was very carefully contrived f963: | mm | mmhm f965: there was nothing |
to work though f963: yeah | mm | mmhm f965: they were going |
mod or rocker thing f963: | mm | mmhm f965: well she had |
adult you know thing f963: | mm | mmhm f965: wh- when you |
formality about some games f963: | mm | mmhm f965: where i can |
like an english village f963: | mm | mmhm f965: which has like |
of that nothing clever f963: | mm | mmhm f965: you know erm |
is for erm tolerance f963: | mm | mmhm f965: you know we |
gone you know erm f963: | mm | mmhm i think his state |
round clootie christmas pudding f963: | mm | mmhm in a in an |
were saying before about f963: | mm | mmhm [inaudible] f965: they would |
with rock and roll f963: | mm | mmhm m964: mm f965: [tut] |
much alcohol f965: mmhm f963: | mm | mmhm mm m964: erm it |
lying on the ground f963: | mm | mmhm mm mm mmhm f965: |
because it m964: mm f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm f965: actually might |
know what you re f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm f965: talking about |
and remains so erm f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm mmhm mm mm |
a wee while ago f963: | mm | mmhm no i think i |
romantic as it sounds f963: | mm | mmhm not much continuity but |
really but pardon me f963: | mm | mmhm right yeah yeah mmhm |
than the other or f963: | mm | mmhm right yes yeah mmhm |
i mean so erm f963: | mm | mmhm right yes yeah mmhm |
a game of tig f963: | mm | mmhm the one sort of |
isn t it f963: yeah | mm | mmhm there are there are |
journey f963: mm mm yes | mm | mmhm [tut] right yeah yeah |
t remember her name f963: | mm | mmhm we used to have |
this kind of thing f963: | mm | mmhm yeah do you feel |
a reaction to destruction f963: | mm | mmhm yeah f965: and also |
was scared of it f963: | mm | mmhm yeah f965: and so |
better witnesses than others f963: | mm | mmhm yeah f965: because they |
absolutely filled with admiration f963: | mm | mmhm yeah f965: for the |
of name and he f963: | mm | mmhm yeah f965: obviously wasn |
this guy off you f963: | mm | mmhm yeah i was a |
d written other things f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah and time |
something the wrong way f965: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah f963: but |
exactly yeah you went f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah how far |
were kind of inverted f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah yes they |
they did you know f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yes yeah but |
know yeah yeah yeah f963: | mm | mmhm yes the whole thing |
them run you know f963: | mm | mmhm yes yeah kind of |
in a way erm f963: | mm | mmhm yes yeah maybe that |
to do that so f963: | mm | mmhm yes yeah uh huh |
and photographers m964: really f963: | mm | oh right lord li- lichfield |
a common name in f963: | mm | oh right right yes mmhm |
two beeching act erm f963: | mm | oh right was this in |
do what you want f963: | mm | oh yeah no that [inaudible] |
rhymes that you said f963: | mm | really mm f965: but there |
certainly hadn t come f963: | mm | right f965: straight from the |
he [?]likes[/?] like this f963: | mm | right [laugh] yeah yeah mm |
had it at christmas f963: | mm | right m964: right f965: that |
and they had symbolism f963: | mm | right mmhm f965: there was |
it stops them f963: mm | mm | right or they feel they |
no way of hearing f963: | mm | right uh huh f965: except |
had a birthday cake f963: | mm | right uh huh yeah f965: |
it does exist f963: mm | mm | right well mm yes yeah |
black and white definition f963: | mm | right which tribe are you |
isn t she f963: mm | mm | right yeah yeah mmhm yeah |
it was a thing f963: | mm | right yes yeah mm mmhm |
f965: this is nineteen sixty | mm | six f963: mm because i |
t know but erm f963: | mm | [sniff] f965: once they are |
some way you know f963: | mm | something s being created although |
a repressive regime f963: mm | mm | uh huh f965: it was |
american airforce people here f963: | mm | uh huh yeah f965: later |
a degree of honour f963: | mm | was it f965: that people |
oh f965: non marriage f963: | mm | was that a good sign |
f963: oh f965: [cough] f963: | mm | we also had about umpteen |
[laugh] you know f963: yeah | mm | well [laugh] the idea that |
brother would hit you f963: | mm | what about vandalism was there |
of below the belt f963: | mm | yeah a lot of our |
with her education slightly f963: | mm | yeah don t know i |
the primary school f963: mmhm | mm | yeah f965: but erm god |
a class that size f963: | mm | yeah f965: but the children |
palaver the christmas dinner f963: | mm | yeah f965: erm because it |
and everything else ps- f963: | mm | yeah f965: psychological one f963: |
without getting into trouble f963: | mm | yeah f965: so the school |
we didn t have f963: | mm | yeah f965: we didn t |
mirror they re not f963: | mm | yeah i suppose there s |
was actually very serious f963: | mm | yeah m964: was there an |
general you know erm f963: | mm | yeah right yeah yeah mm |
that stuff and walter f963: | mm | yeah sort of kailyard idea |
er swings and roundabouts f963: | mm | yeah the blue rinse twitching |
people challenge it but f963: | mm | yeah uh huh f965: erm |
fisticuffs f963: no kicking no | mm | yeah uh huh f965: it |
member of society f963: mm | mm | yeah uh huh f965: now |
that can possibly be f963: | mm | yeah uh huh yeah m964: |
erm and and f963: mm | mm | yeah yeah but it s |
you know and but f963: | mm | yeah yeah right yeah yeah |
just i don t f963: | mm | yes [laugh] i ll maybe |
of this journey f963: mm | mm | yes mm mmhm [tut] right |
f963: [laugh] mm [laugh] yes | mm | yes oh i know yeah |
[laugh] you know f963: mm | mm | yes yeah [laugh] it s |
right there wasn t f963: | mm | yes yeah mmhm mm right |
she s the character f963: | mm | yes yeah right uh huh |
thing so f963: right yeah | mm | you can see that sort |