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| of of characters and m762: | mm | f963: and the different sort |
| of asian radio station m762: | mm | f963: choices but i mean |
| you know is it m762: | mm | f963: is it another is |
| was saying m762: oh right | mm | f963: the same thing that |
| sort of disappear linguistically m762: | mm | f963: then you go towards |
| thei- their sort of m762: | mm | f963: you know adventures along |
| previous occasion that erm m762: | mm | f963: you know things like |
| didn t realise that f963: | mm | [inhale] yes yeah m762: you |
| f963: mm mm mmhm yeah | mm | [laugh] m762: all fiction is |
| you know erm f963: mm | mm | [laugh] m762: all kinds of |
| of [laugh] you know f963: | mm | [laugh] m762: and so i |
| and so i ha- f963: | mm | [laugh] m762: didn t really |
| but if you ve f963: | mm | [laugh] m762: had even too |
| re always thinking f963: mm | mm | [laugh] m762: oh i wish |
| and there might f963: yeah | mm | [laugh] m762: the editor would |
| you know so erm f963: | mm | [laugh] m762: yeah so there |
| that and he always f963: | mm | [laugh] mm mmhm yeah m762: |
| you know so erm f963: | mm | [laugh] right m762: i i |
| own you know f963: mm | mm | [laugh] right m762: just try |
| you know but but f963: | mm | [laugh] yeah m762: i m |
| you know but erm f963: | mm | [laugh] yeah m762: it s |
| and everything and then f963: | mm | [laugh] yeah m762: it was |
| know you know and f963: | mm | [laugh] yeah m762: that s |
| you know and f963: yeah | mm | [laugh] yeah m762: zola wrote |
| know i wanted to f963: | mm | [laugh] yeah mmhm m762: take |
| the novel you perhaps f963: | mm | [laugh] yeah yeah [laugh] m762: |
| of cosmonaut or something f963: | mm | [laugh] yeah yeah m762: do |
| in a certain way f963: | mm | [laugh] yeah yes yeah m762: |
| and he took out f963: | mm | m762: a comma in the |
| that er you know f963: | mm | m762: a- and didn t |
| write an epic f963: yeah | mm | m762: about immigration because i |
| stream of linkages f963: mm | mm | m762: across different cultures and |
| lewis was another erm f963: | mm | m762: again another enlightened teacher |
| was like [exhale] f963: mm | mm | m762: agonise over them and |
| right yes yeah mmhm mmhm | mm | m762: alberto manguel sense fantastical |
| and and f963: mm mmhm | mm | m762: all of that stuff |
| so th-th- there were f963: | mm | m762: all of these influences |
| was sort of crumbling yeah | mm | m762: although at the same |
| experiences and so on f963: | mm | m762: and all of that |
| you get metaphysically f963: mm | mm | m762: and also in terms |
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| know and and f963: mm | mm | m762: and and and the |
| or something anyway erm f963: | mm | m762: and and eventually i |
| f963: yes yeah mmhm mm | mm | m762: and and so erm |
| used to warm up f963: | mm | m762: and at the time |
| sort of post war f963: | mm | m762: and became something different |
| that s fine er f963: | mm | m762: and erm you know |
| was you know f963: yes | mm | m762: and how do they |
| f963: ah right yes yeah | mm | m762: and i thought you |
| kind of canonical status mm | mm | m762: and it first of |
| there are all these f963: | mm | m762: and it really is |
| me get the title f963: | mm | m762: and it was books |
| some point erm f963: mm | mm | m762: and not everybody s |
| popular songs and so f963: | mm | m762: and of course my |
| which we had erm f963: | mm | m762: and on tv it |
| know erm f963: right yes | mm | m762: and so i wasn |
| you know and f963: mm | mm | m762: and still do to |
| right yeah mmhm mm yeah | mm | m762: and that s what |
| so on and and f963: | mm | m762: and the- and then |
| very much still yes yeah | mm | m762: and then we pitch |
| reality f963: yes yeah mmhm | mm | m762: and therefore in fiction |
| lot in their houses f963: | mm | m762: and they re aware |
| they were educated in f963: | mm | m762: ang-ang- anglicised public schools |
| and the kind of f963: | mm | m762: appropriation of burns and |
| f963: right yeah mmhm mm | mm | m762: artistic and they and |
| that i m doing f963: | mm | m762: at you know folk |
| from a confluence of f963: | mm | m762: basically african music erm |
| but you know erm f963: | mm | m762: because you kind of |
| and beyond that it f963: | mm | m762: becomes intrusive i think |
| peel it must have f963: | mm | m762: been john peel s |
| native american movement f963: mmhm | mm | m762: black movements in in |
| utilise standard english f963: mmhm | mm | m762: but make it into |
| ascertain someone s class f963: | mm | m762: by the way they |
| years ago you know f963: | mm | m762: called the child of |
| who s ce- f963: mm | mm | m762: central to the central |
| person f963: mm mmhm yeah | mm | m762: coming down if that |
| be sort of f963: mm | mm | m762: completely filled up with |
| world music and into f963: | mm | m762: current south asian music |
| have everything in there f963: | mm | m762: dancing together f963: right |
| cultures that are actually f963: | mm | m762: define those cultures they |
| order to kind of f963: | mm | m762: develop the voice a |
| that whole f963: right mm | mm | m762: different view of the |
| then but perhaps f963: mm | mm | m762: differently from perhaps some |
| exorcising that in a way | mm | m762: do you know what |
| i think now f963: mm | mm | m762: doesn t seem to |
| i i m not f963: | mm | m762: don t have access |
| fantasy in the f963: mm | mm | m762: dungeons and dragons sense |
| f963: mm mmhm yeah mm | mm | m762: encounter all different social |
| flawed in fact f963: right | mm | m762: er and and erm |
| differently you know and f963: | mm | m762: er not have this |
| people you know f963: mm | mm | m762: erm and and you |
| know f963: right yes yeah | mm | m762: erm but you know |
| s a wonderful novel f963: | mm | m762: erm f963: and yet |
| a very few people f963: | mm | m762: erm f963: i ve |
| the fifties and sixties f963: | mm | m762: erm film songs you |
| m762: in my view f963: | mm | m762: erm not in all |
| of upper class oxbridge f963: | mm | m762: erm way he he |
| they come here f963: mm | mm | m762: even if they re |
| a word for scottish f963: | mm | m762: even though ha- most |
| well and so mm mm | mm | m762: ex- exactly and all |
| that was another f963: mmhm | mm | m762: exploration that i wanted |
| know to some f963: mm | mm | m762: extent and and some |
| it was like f963: mm | mm | m762: fac- factories would churn |
| are still sort of f963: | mm | m762: favourites you know really |
| because it takes you f963: | mm | m762: further back then because |
| i quite like the f963: | mm | m762: generalist idea you know |
| read and and then f963: | mm | m762: get recommendations from them |
| know hills have f963: right | mm | m762: gone you know tha-tha- |
| s got to really f963: | mm | m762: got to actually be |
| different perhaps from what f963: | mm | m762: has been done before |
| other thing is f963: mm | mm | m762: he becomes subsumed into |
| was very moving because f963: | mm | m762: he forgot that he |
| s very self indulgent f963: | mm | m762: he s he s |
| know f963: mm mm yeah | mm | m762: i didn t want |
| it s never f963: right | mm | m762: i know it s |
| of erm break down f963: | mm | m762: i like following etymologies |
| and transient and depends f963: | mm | m762: i mean scots as |
| that i- some f963: mm | mm | m762: i mean there s |
| so i i i f963: | mm | m762: i really start from |
| very difficult i mean f963: | mm | m762: i th- it s |
| you know think oh f963: | mm | m762: i thought somebody said |
| erm you know f963: mmhm | mm | m762: i wanted to get |
| that stuff so erm f963: | mm | m762: i- it s a |
| middlemarch is a great f963: | mm | m762: i- it s the |
| know kill one another f963: | mm | m762: if nobody did that |
| anyway actually but f963: mm | mm | m762: if you re going |
| s in standard english f963: | mm | m762: in other words it |
| expletives but also f963: mm | mm | m762: in terms of the |
| lot of the administrators f963: | mm | m762: in the empire were |
| puts f963: mm mm mmhm | mm | m762: it gets my goat |
| t look though any- f963: | mm | m762: it s become lenses |
| actually how close f963: mm | mm | m762: it still is you |
| you know the erm f963: | mm | m762: james fox mick jagger |
| know and she s f963: | mm | m762: left there in in |
| so f963: yes yeah mmhm | mm | m762: let s let s |
| or something i think f963: | mm | m762: listeners had to it |
| places where you ve f963: | mm | m762: lived as a child |
| that s one person f963: | mm | m762: living in a very |
| of mu- that f963: mm | mm | m762: l-l- layered quality to |
| itself is kind of f963: | mm | m762: lochs and mountains and |
| in a kind of f963: | mm | m762: london like place in |
| f963: mm mmhm yeah mm | mm | m762: metropolises metropoli whatever they |
| lyricists who were poets f963: | mm | m762: musicians dancers actors directors |
| effectively monolingual f963: right mmhm | mm | m762: my knowledge of urdu |
| s also an arabic f963: | mm | m762: name and it means |
| that this was in f963: | mm | m762: nineteen sixties glasgow you |
| persian word so f963: mm | mm | m762: not many beryls know |
| er and and f963: mm | mm | m762: obviously my knowledge of |
| noticed it spirals down f963: | mm | m762: one thing leading to |
| listen to tales parents f963: | mm | m762: or grandparents or older |
| i ll f963: right yes | mm | m762: or i ll look |
| time but you know f963: | mm | m762: p- lots of elderly |
| know and and erm f963: | mm | m762: people also tell similar |
| authority or whatever yeah mm | mm | m762: peoples they would appear |
| and then they ll f963: | mm | m762: play sort of more |
| construct artificial you know f963: | mm | m762: politically correct you know |
| but erm i i f963: | mm | m762: prefer you know stuff |
| s- bash it down f963: | mm | m762: presumably you know he |
| the reader doesn t f963: | mm | m762: quite know whether it |
| i often find f963: mm | mm | m762: readers who are actually |
| that i do is f963: | mm | m762: seek out the the |
| right yeah yeah [laugh] mm | mm | m762: so and the way |
| oh totally different yeah yeah | mm | m762: so erm there were |
| you know and and f963: | mm | m762: so i i think |
| it erm and f963: mm | mm | m762: so i know all |
| changed words f963: yeah mmhm | mm | m762: so many times in |
| mm right [laugh] yeah yeah | mm | m762: so then i went |
| know again and erm f963: | mm | m762: so there was that |
| least you know erm f963: | mm | m762: some people sort of |
| it because i f963: yeah | mm | m762: somebody said [?]oh you should[/?] and |
| most stylised of f963: mm | mm | m762: stories it will come |
| quite powerful in that yeah | mm | m762: takes its o- female |
| s- when i ve f963: | mm | m762: talked about the older |
| jagger film that f963: mm | mm | m762: that kind of thing |
| so f963: mmhm mmhm yeah | mm | m762: that stuck in my |
| or a tactical way f963: | mm | m762: that will take you |
| ve done in f963: mm | mm | m762: the burning mirror the |
| actually churning out stuff f963: | mm | m762: the input doesn t |
| writing but it backgrounds f963: | mm | m762: the kind of you |
| we re talking about f963: | mm | m762: the late sixties early |
| into f963: right mmhm mmhm | mm | m762: the living rooms of |
| like you know beryl f963: | mm | m762: the name beryl is |
| all goes back to f963: | mm | m762: the past doesn t |
| it s not f963: mm | mm | m762: the situation that ireland |
| and there s always f963: | mm | m762: there are always there |
| er f963: so mm mm | mm | m762: there s this kind |
| you know whatever so f963: | mm | m762: there was that and |
| change and history f963: mmhm | mm | m762: there were a lot |
| kind of metaphorical meanings yeah | mm | m762: they do don t |
| converted the buildings into yeah | mm | m762: they have well they |
| social class f963: mm mm | mm | m762: they ll talk they |
| if women worked f963: well | mm | m762: they weren t looking |
| your protective f963: yeah yeah | mm | m762: thing around you is |
| ask why did f963: mm | mm | m762: those people not do |
| layer it f963: right yeah | mm | m762: till it was perfect |
| become aware enough or f963: | mm | m762: till somebody else points |
| something that s ignored f963: | mm | m762: to to their own |
| between the f963: mmhm mmhm | mm | m762: town and the countryside |
| twentieth century where where f963: | mm | m762: underneath the botanic gardens |
| reading the actual original f963: | mm | m762: versions f963: right m762: |
| of madness as well [laugh] | mm | m762: well i i mean |
| that stuff f963: mm mmhm | mm | m762: well it s happening |
| at the same time f963: | mm | m762: what i wanted to |
| sure it is but f963: | mm | m762: whate- you know to |
| groups f963: yes yeah mmhm | mm | m762: where wh- where are |
| you re going f963: mm | mm | m762: where you go next |
| [laugh] yeah mm mmhm yeah | mm | m762: which has become a |
| you you hit bedrock f963: | mm | m762: which is maybe a |
| mm mm yeah yeah mmhm | mm | m762: which would allow them |
| that f963: yes yeah mm | mm | m762: will never be written |
| know and and f963: mm | mm | m762: within people s heads |
| reality from a position f963: | mm | m762: without being influenced by |
| you know erm f963: thing | mm | m762: y- some twenties romance |
| sort of detritus so yeah | mm | m762: yeah th- that was |
| not the same thing altogether | mm | m762: you do you do |
| that much f963: yeah yeah | mm | m762: you kind of read |
| this is interesting f963: mm | mm | m762: you know and and |
| talk about angraise loag f963: | mm | m762: you know and and |
| east africa er f963: mm | mm | m762: you know and and |
| er the whole er f963: | mm | m762: you know canon of |
| erm f963: mm mm yeah | mm | m762: you know cause a |
| i think f963: mm mmhm | mm | m762: you know erm the |
| all contributing to that so | mm | m762: you know some- somebody |
| land f963: right yes yeah | mm | m762: you know that s |
| sense because they they f963: | mm | m762: you know they build |
| yeah yeah [laugh] mm yeah | mm | m762: you know they ve |
| history that is theirs yeah | mm | m762: you know this kind |
| you know that that f963: | mm | m762: you know wh- where |
| re writing you know f963: | mm | m762: you re doing it |
| vicariously okay but yo-yo- f963: | mm | m762: you re really trying |
| for granted and f963: yeah | mm | m762: yo-yo- you know until |
| powerful character i think f963: | mm | m762: zaf hints at that |
| prague you know erm f963: | mm | mm [laugh] m762: all kinds |
| you re always thinking f963: | mm | mm [laugh] m762: oh i |
| my own you know f963: | mm | mm [laugh] right m762: just |
| this stream of linkages f963: | mm | mm m762: across different cultures |
| i was like [exhale] f963: | mm | mm m762: agonise over them |
| deeper you get metaphysically f963: | mm | mm m762: and also in |
| f963: mm mmhm mmhm mmhm | mm | mm m762: and and also |
| you know and and f963: | mm | mm m762: and and and |
| erm f963: yes yeah mmhm | mm | mm m762: and and so |
| that kind of canonical status | mm | mm m762: and it first |
| at some point erm f963: | mm | mm m762: and not everybody |
| and you know and f963: | mm | mm m762: and still do |
| were f963: right yeah mmhm | mm | mm m762: artistic and they |
| and who s ce- f963: | mm | mm m762: central to the |
| d be sort of f963: | mm | mm m762: completely filled up |
| ecology that whole f963: right | mm | mm m762: different view of |
| since then but perhaps f963: | mm | mm m762: differently from perhaps |
| which i think now f963: | mm | mm m762: doesn t seem |
| mean fantasy in the f963: | mm | mm m762: dungeons and dragons |
| i f963: mm mmhm yeah | mm | mm m762: encounter all different |
| older people you know f963: | mm | mm m762: erm and and |
| when they come here f963: | mm | mm m762: even if they |
| as well and so mm | mm | mm m762: ex- exactly and |
| you know to some f963: | mm | mm m762: extent and and |
| would it was like f963: | mm | mm m762: fac- factories would |
| the other thing is f963: | mm | mm m762: he becomes subsumed |
| lost that i- some f963: | mm | mm m762: i mean there |
| up anyway actually but f963: | mm | mm m762: if you re |
| neologistic expletives but also f963: | mm | mm m762: in terms of |
| realise actually how close f963: | mm | mm m762: it still is |
| kind of mu- that f963: | mm | mm m762: l-l- layered quality |
| metr- f963: mm mmhm yeah | mm | mm m762: metropolises metropoli whatever |
| a persian word so f963: | mm | mm m762: not many beryls |
| basic er and and f963: | mm | mm m762: obviously my knowledge |
| of authority or whatever yeah | mm | mm m762: peoples they would |
| so i often find f963: | mm | mm m762: readers who are |
| f963: right yeah yeah [laugh] | mm | mm m762: so and the |
| fighting it erm and f963: | mm | mm m762: so i know |
| the most stylised of f963: | mm | mm m762: stories it will |
| mick jagger film that f963: | mm | mm m762: that kind of |
| i ve done in f963: | mm | mm m762: the burning mirror |
| mean it s not f963: | mm | mm m762: the situation that |
| and er f963: so mm | mm | mm m762: there s this |
| similar social class f963: mm | mm | mm m762: they ll talk |
| to ask why did f963: | mm | mm m762: those people not |
| where you re going f963: | mm | mm m762: where you go |
| versions that f963: yes yeah | mm | mm m762: will never be |
| you know and and f963: | mm | mm m762: within people s |
| think this is interesting f963: | mm | mm m762: you know and |
| in east africa er f963: | mm | mm m762: you know and |
| that as well and so | mm | mm mm m762: ex- exactly |
| and and er f963: so | mm | mm mm m762: there s |
| a similar social class f963: | mm | mm mm m762: they ll |
| you know and and f963: | mm | mm mm mmhm m762: like |
| broadcasting almost deliberately artificial f963: | mm | mm mm mmhm yeah m762: |
| will influence your physical f963: | mm | mm mm mmhm yeah m762: |
| s completely standard english f963: | mm | mm mm right right m762: |
| think about you because f963: | mm | mm mm right yeah m762: |
| you know and erm f963: | mm | mm mmhm [laugh] m762: and |
| less essentialist you know f963: | mm | mm mmhm m762: and and |
| areas you know and f963: | mm | mm mmhm m762: erm i |
| know and and f963: mm | mm | mm mmhm m762: like if |
| another which is a f963: | mm | mm mmhm m762: political construct |
| other things as well f963: | mm | mm mmhm m762: posted on |
| the sleepers were still f963: | mm | mm mmhm m762: there and |
| cause if i had f963: | mm | mm mmhm m762: to rewrite |
| say in standard english f963: | mm | mm mmhm m762: where there |
| yes oh yes absolutely mmhm | mm | mm mmhm m762: you know |
| and then what f963: yeah | mm | mm mmhm m762: you speak |
| i really that puts f963: | mm | mm mmhm mm m762: it |
| and and you know f963: | mm | mm mmhm right m762: put |
| influence your physical f963: mm | mm | mm mmhm yeah m762: the |
| almost deliberately artificial f963: mm | mm | mm mmhm yeah m762: you |
| england it might have f963: | mm | mm right m762: be changing |
| completely standard english f963: mm | mm | mm right right m762: and |
| and in a way f963: | mm | mm right yeah m762: a |
| i think you know f963: | mm | mm right yeah m762: and |
| and what are the f963: | mm | mm right yeah m762: consequences |
| know erm you look f963: | mm | mm right yeah m762: into |
| about you because f963: mm | mm | mm right yeah m762: that |
| and it s be- f963: | mm | mm right yeah mmhm m762: |
| that you know that f963: | mm | mm yeah m762: er as |
| and on and on f963: | mm | mm yeah m762: erm and |
| things you know erm f963: | mm | mm yeah m762: erm you |
| right yeah yeah mm yeah | mm | mm yeah m762: i mean |
| things that hadn t f963: | mm | mm yeah m762: perhaps been |
| about but you know f963: | mm | mm yeah mm m762: i |
| thing you know erm f963: | mm | mm yeah mm m762: you |
| and where there s f963: | mm | mm yeah mmhm mmhm m762: |
| heads you know because f963: | mm | mm yeah yeah m762: ordinary |
| get f963: right yeah yeah | mm | mm yeah yeah m762: remade |
| i mean and i f963: | mm | mm yeah yeah m762: you |
| i mean and so f963: | mm | mm yeah yes yeah m762: |
| with you know people f963: | mm | mm yes yeah mmhm m762: |
| know and erm f963: mm | mm | mmhm [laugh] m762: and so |
| has and that gives f963: | mm | mmhm m762: a frisson a |
| man who was not f963: | mm | mmhm m762: a patriarchal macho |
| kinds my father had f963: | mm | mmhm m762: a reel to |
| is that you know f963: | mm | mmhm m762: a-a- and erm |
| essentialist you know f963: mm | mm | mmhm m762: and and and |
| literature you know erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and and and |
| things you know and f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and and and |
| topic and and erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and and i |
| on you know erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and and move |
| and you know erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and and or |
| stories in the burnin- f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and and what |
| are in a sense f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and and you |
| film songs you know f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and er he |
| south asia particularly erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and how the |
| use the glaswegian idiom f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and i did |
| you know that erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and i didn |
| you know and and f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and in a |
| of that stuff erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and it kind |
| in the nineteenth century f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and it was |
| that warts and all f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and not apologise |
| explored these areas erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and not just |
| know erm f963: mm yeah | mm | mmhm m762: and so i |
| exposed to it erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and so this |
| music you know erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and that sort |
| across space and time f963: | mm | mmhm m762: and thought and |
| have you know this f963: | mm | mmhm m762: asian woman who |
| cause it was basically f963: | mm | mmhm m762: bbc1 and itv |
| act differently you know f963: | mm | mmhm m762: because if i |
| you do you know f963: | mm | mmhm m762: because one thing |
| s very sort of f963: | mm | mmhm m762: borgesian idea that |
| putting it very well [laugh] | mm | mmhm m762: but but you |
| d written f963: yeah mmhm | mm | mmhm m762: but i didn |
| you know and and f963: | mm | mmhm m762: but in that |
| you know society did f963: | mm | mmhm m762: change as a |
| and it could have f963: | mm | mmhm m762: could have been |
| you know so that f963: | mm | mmhm m762: didn t have |
| t resolve them it f963: | mm | mmhm m762: doesn t resolve |
| know erm kind of f963: | mm | mmhm m762: educated people you |
| perhaps you know and f963: | mm | mmhm m762: er and and |
| f963: mm right yes yeah | mm | mmhm m762: er and people |
| in everything you know f963: | mm | mmhm m762: er and we |
| bbc2 opened up f963: right | mm | mmhm m762: er had just |
| and that is erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: er history of |
| of that just now f963: | mm | mmhm m762: er to do |
| that voice those voices f963: | mm | mmhm m762: erm and and |
| different directions you know f963: | mm | mmhm m762: erm and directions |
| ve seen it erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: erm and of |
| s brilliant you know f963: | mm | mmhm m762: erm and often |
| whole gamut you know f963: | mm | mmhm m762: erm and that |
| stuff which is fine f963: | mm | mmhm m762: erm but but |
| actually drew on him f963: | mm | mmhm m762: erm calvino erm |
| things you know and f963: | mm | mmhm m762: erm f963: are |
| you know and f963: mm | mm | mmhm m762: erm i i |
| them anyway you know f963: | mm | mmhm m762: erm i ve |
| excellence and it s f963: | mm | mmhm m762: erm it s |
| book so i actually f963: | mm | mmhm m762: erm she drove |
| and see the older f963: | mm | mmhm m762: film and even |
| been it wasn t f963: | mm | mmhm m762: for everybody and |
| a bit of indulgence f963: | mm | mmhm m762: going on i |
| and he and he f963: | mm | mmhm m762: got a crap |
| know f963: right yes mmhm | mm | mmhm m762: i m k- |
| of leveller you know f963: | mm | mmhm m762: i mean i |
| energy and then go f963: | mm | mmhm m762: i mean i |
| years f963: [laugh] right [laugh] | mm | mmhm m762: i mean this |
| erm f963: mm mmhm right | mm | mmhm m762: i think i |
| cooker effect f963: [inaudible] yeah | mm | mmhm m762: i wanted all |
| you know and how f963: | mm | mmhm m762: it might [?]inspissate[/?] |
| i mean it s f963: | mm | mmhm m762: it s almost |
| and i kind of f963: | mm | mmhm m762: it s layered |
| of thing which which f963: | mm | mmhm m762: kind of follows |
| know that you can f963: | mm | mmhm m762: kind of seek |
| and and f963: mm mm | mm | mmhm m762: like if you |
| think from reading epics f963: | mm | mmhm m762: like the shahnameh |
| t really walk into f963: | mm | mmhm m762: magic realism but |
| you know like er f963: | mm | mmhm m762: manto hasan saadat |
| are neolog- f963: yeah [laugh] | mm | mmhm m762: neologistic expletives but |
| be quite dangerous now yeah | mm | mmhm m762: now but in |
| county you know so f963: | mm | mmhm m762: now it s |
| twentieth century and burns f963: | mm | mmhm m762: of course sc- |
| you know and and f963: | mm | mmhm m762: of weird things |
| mm yeah right yeah yeah | mm | mmhm m762: often about nothing |
| renfrewshire you know between f963: | mm | mmhm m762: paisley and barrhead |
| any more than f963: yeah | mm | mmhm m762: people that listen |
| which is a f963: mm | mm | mmhm m762: political construct which |
| things as well f963: mm | mm | mmhm m762: posted on the |
| deliberate policy i mean f963: | mm | mmhm m762: public schools were |
| know some some little f963: | mm | mmhm m762: re- reference to |
| let s let s f963: | mm | mmhm m762: scratch under the |
| that i was f963: yeah | mm | mmhm m762: shoddy about it |
| d- dead now erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: sort of er |
| they re gonna resolve f963: | mm | mmhm m762: that s part |
| the music you know f963: | mm | mmhm m762: that that was |
| thinking about f963: mm yes | mm | mmhm m762: that was another |
| was it was erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: the jago was |
| novels erm f963: mm mmhm | mm | mmhm m762: the only thing |
| ways so we have f963: | mm | mmhm m762: the standard imperial |
| of dig down into f963: | mm | mmhm m762: the stratum strata |
| legends from you know f963: | mm | mmhm m762: then it then |
| holding anything back erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: then you are |
| sleepers were still f963: mm | mm | mmhm m762: there and the |
| you know and then f963: | mm | mmhm m762: there are so |
| i didn t think f963: | mm | mmhm m762: this is the |
| in so she became f963: | mm | mmhm m762: this sort of |
| from different places and f963: | mm | mmhm m762: times and so |
| period you know where f963: | mm | mmhm m762: to a small |
| if i had f963: mm | mm | mmhm m762: to rewrite psychoraag |
| it different you know f963: | mm | mmhm m762: transform it in |
| and looking at that f963: | mm | mmhm m762: very sort of |
| yes oh very true yeah | mm | mmhm m762: whatever that was |
| people or from outside f963: | mm | mmhm m762: when they talk |
| in standard english f963: mm | mm | mmhm m762: where there okay |
| the time [laugh] mm yeah | mm | mmhm m762: where well exactly |
| a fragile person erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: with hopes and |
| world in a sense f963: | mm | mmhm m762: you know almost |
| what i mean erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: you know and |
| as we as we f963: | mm | mmhm m762: you know er |
| virginia woolf and erm f963: | mm | mmhm m762: you know erm |
| mmhm right yes yeah mmhm | mm | mmhm m762: you know i |
| so forth and so f963: | mm | mmhm m762: you know i |
| well you know tolkien f963: | mm | mmhm m762: you know obviously |
| an older age group f963: | mm | mmhm m762: you know people |
| oh yes absolutely mmhm mm | mm | mmhm m762: you know people |
| and so forth and f963: | mm | mmhm m762: you know you |
| then what f963: yeah mm | mm | mmhm m762: you speak is |
| off erm and and f963: | mm | mmhm mm m762: all of |
| really that puts f963: mm | mm | mmhm mm m762: it gets |
| and all that stuff f963: | mm | mmhm mm m762: well it |
| well spring i think f963: | mm | mmhm mm m762: you know |
| nineteenth century novels erm f963: | mm | mmhm mm mmhm m762: the |
| you know and so f963: | mm | mmhm mm yeah m762: and |
| hits you know erm f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: and and |
| you know and erm f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: and and |
| different l- levels then f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: and and |
| and and glasgow s f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: no exception |
| the head of a f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: pin type |
| son s name is f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: qaisar which |
| and i hadn t f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: read lanark |
| read things but also f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: that was |
| know i wasn t f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: you know |
| as is appropriate er f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm m762: you know |
| the dramatic tension if f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm mmhm yeah m762: |
| writers and so on f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm right m762: from |
| society as well and f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm right m762: i |
| you know and erm f963: | mm | mmhm right m762: and i |
| the whole thing and f963: | mm | mmhm right m762: and that |
| s still happening and f963: | mm | mmhm right m762: er erm |
| folk tales erm legends f963: | mm | mmhm right m762: er you |
| scottish parlance you know f963: | mm | mmhm right m762: erm so |
| of thinking about that f963: | mm | mmhm right m762: erm you |
| and you know f963: mm | mm | mmhm right m762: put it |
| boundaries you know except f963: | mm | mmhm right m762: the story |
| people have done erm f963: | mm | mmhm right mm mmhm m762: |
| tempting anyway but erm f963: | mm | mmhm right yeah [laugh] m762: |
| recognise that you know f963: | mm | mmhm right yeah m762: er |
| tolkien the entire everything f963: | mm | mmhm right yeah m762: erm |
| all that stuff erm f963: | mm | mmhm right yeah mmhm m762: |
| rhythms because they went f963: | mm | mmhm right yeah mmhm m762: |
| and maybe radio luxembourg f963: | mm | mmhm right yeah mmhm m762: |
| mind erm you know f963: | mm | mmhm right yeah yeah m762: |
| you know but erm f963: | mm | mmhm sure m762: you know |
| stuff erm f963: right yeah | mm | mmhm sure yeah m762: stuff |
| know the van driver f963: | mm | mmhm [tut] oh m762: gardener |
| er you know because f963: | mm | mmhm yeah [laugh] m762: well |
| that s been done f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: ad nauseam |
| fluidity you know erm f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: and and |
| very broad you know f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: and then |
| it s f963: yes yeah | mm | mmhm yeah m762: but it |
| as a lot of f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: children do |
| of time i think f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: erm though |
| know where where where f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: he and |
| possible because of this f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: history of |
| cause i wasn t f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: i was |
| idea was that the f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: place you |
| he always f963: mm [laugh] | mm | mmhm yeah m762: pleasantly surprised |
| england you know erm f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: quite a |
| everything that i write f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: so that |
| erm f963: yeah [laugh] yes | mm | mmhm yeah m762: that s |
| think that you realise f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: that when |
| your physical f963: mm mm | mm | mmhm yeah m762: the sound |
| erm er it s f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: together with |
| colonial administrator colonial agents f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: were in |
| she demanded that story f963: | mm | mmhm yeah m762: which is |
| it kind of f963: yes | mm | mmhm yeah m762: with my |
| blah erm f963: right yeah | mm | mmhm yeah m762: you know |
| deliberately artificial f963: mm mm | mm | mmhm yeah m762: you know |
| writing is artifice f963: mm | mm | mmhm yeah mm [laugh] m762: |
| than the other person f963: | mm | mmhm yeah mm m762: coming |
| you know f963: [laugh] yeah | mm | mmhm yeah mm m762: which |
| that live in metr- f963: | mm | mmhm yeah mm mm m762: |
| doctor obviously i i f963: | mm | mmhm yeah mm mm m762: |
| was broken you know f963: | mm | mmhm yeah mmhm m762: by |
| much erm again scottish f963: | mm | mmhm yeah mmhm m762: er |
| or falling apart f963: yeah | mm | mmhm yeah mmhm m762: in |
| africa you know and f963: | mm | mmhm yeah mmhm m762: th- |
| and fine you know f963: | mm | mmhm yeah mmhm m762: that |
| erm and just to f963: | mm | mmhm yeah mmhm m762: to |
| and as well as f963: | mm | mmhm yeah mmhm mmhm m762: |
| there and you know f963: | mm | mmhm yeah right m762: do |
| a lot of people f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah m762: did |
| lets fly you know f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah m762: erm |
| you know and so f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah m762: erm |
| s significant so erm f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah m762: i |
| this idea of land f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah m762: migration |
| but that wasn t f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah m762: my |
| into two you know f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah m762: or |
| be a key to f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah m762: structural |
| things flow and so f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yes m762: you |
| in retrospect i ve f963: | mm | mmhm yes yeah m762: drawn |
| through you know erm f963: | mm | mmhm yes yeah m762: er |
| wouldn t call it f963: | mm | mmhm yes yeah m762: if |
| isn t it f963: [laugh] | mm | mmhm yes yeah mmhm m762: |
| scottish you know and f963: | mm | mmhm yes yes yeah m762: |
| we don t realise f963: | mm | right m762: and and and |
| it might have f963: mm | mm | right m762: be changing now |
| to that you know f963: | mm | right m762: er and a |
| you know so they f963: | mm | right m762: had to accept |
| else had bikes f963: mmhm | mm | right m762: or or used |
| what i m writing f963: | mm | right m762: so all these |
| still is you know f963: | mm | right m762: you just have |
| on and so forth f963: | mm | right mmhm mmhm m762: so |
| standard english f963: mm mm | mm | right right m762: and it |
| a persian word f963: mmhm | mm | right right yeah m762: for |
| i enjoyed it too f963: | mm | right right yeah yeah m762: |
| people sort of decide f963: | mm | right yeah [laugh] m762: to |
| in a way f963: mm | mm | right yeah m762: a de |
| think you know f963: mm | mm | right yeah m762: and obviously |
| what are the f963: mm | mm | right yeah m762: consequences for |
| erm you look f963: mm | mm | right yeah m762: into the |
| you because f963: mm mm | mm | right yeah m762: that s |
| you know but but f963: | mm | right yeah m762: you know |
| several different things erm f963: | mm | right yeah mmhm m762: a |
| know different times erm f963: | mm | right yeah mmhm m762: and |
| it s be- f963: mm | mm | right yeah mmhm m762: it |
| diaspora of a broad f963: | mm | right yeah mmhm m762: period |
| and that was it f963: | mm | right yeah yeah m762: erm |
| and so on erm f963: | mm | right yeah yeah m762: largely |
| india and pakistan both f963: | mm | right yeah yeah m762: the |
| they re not [inaudible] f963: | mm | right yes yeah [laugh] m762: |
| f963: mm yes yeah mmhm | mm | right yes yeah m762: a |
| in his memories m762: yeah | mm | she s be- almost be- |
| very good ways yeah m762: | mm | totally totally you don t |
| kind of iberian f963: mm | mm | [tut] right right yeah m762: |
| i i don t m762: | mm | [tut] yeah f963: know much |
| in terms of writing m762: | mm | well everything i read really |
| know if you call m762: | mm | yeah f963: a tree a |
| out if you like m762: | mm | yeah f963: with him yo- |
| talking about them and f963: | mm | yeah [laugh] yeah m762: because |
| the sixties for example f963: | mm | yeah m762: although there are |
| know f963: yeah [laugh] yeah | mm | yeah m762: and erm i |
| and so f963: mm mmhm | mm | yeah m762: and it s |
| you know that f963: mm | mm | yeah m762: er as well |
| on and on f963: mm | mm | yeah m762: erm and how |
| you know erm f963: mm | mm | yeah m762: erm you know |
| know erm used to f963: | mm | yeah m762: hy- hypnotic green |
| the the nineteenth century f963: | mm | yeah m762: i mean i |
| yeah yeah mm yeah mm | mm | yeah m762: i mean you |
| want to call it f963: | mm | yeah m762: in that sense |
| that hadn t f963: mm | mm | yeah m762: perhaps been done |
| don t know what f963: | mm | yeah m762: what is going |
| of you know erm f963: | mm | yeah m762: y- you get |
| of f963: right yeah mmhm | mm | yeah mm m762: and that |
| but you know f963: mm | mm | yeah mm m762: i didn |
| mm [laugh] yeah yeah [laugh] | mm | yeah mm m762: you know |
| you know erm f963: mm | mm | yeah mm m762: you know |
| movement f963: right yeah yeah | mm | yeah mm mm yeah m762: |
| was you know erm f963: | mm | yeah mm mmhm m762: and |
| protesters half the time [laugh] | mm | yeah mm mmhm m762: where |
| america north america f963: yeah | mm | yeah mmhm m762: but mainly |
| where there s f963: mm | mm | yeah mmhm mmhm m762: no |
| but it s interesting f963: | mm | yeah uh huh m762: because |
| know what i mean f963: | mm | yeah yeah m762: as someone |
| you know because f963: mm | mm | yeah yeah m762: ordinary people |
| you know f963: yes yes | mm | yeah yeah m762: over the |
| as as as just f963: | mm | yeah yeah m762: readers would |
| f963: right yeah yeah mm | mm | yeah yeah m762: remade you |
| know erm and zilla f963: | mm | yeah yeah m762: somebody said |
| mmhm mmhm right [laugh] yeah | mm | yeah yeah m762: to the |
| mean and i f963: mm | mm | yeah yeah m762: you know |
| thinking kind of f963: mm | mm | yeah yeah mmhm [laugh] m762: |
| erm f963: yes yeah [laugh] | mm | yeah yeah mmhm m762: and |
| power about it f963: yeah | mm | yeah yeah mmhm m762: isn |
| i think possibly f963: mm | mm | yeah yeah mmhm mm m762: |
| mean and so f963: mm | mm | yeah yes yeah m762: i |
| you know [laugh] erm f963: | mm | yes [laugh] m762: galvanised by |
| that was the attitude f963: | mm | yes m762: working women were |
| about or thinking about f963: | mm | yes mm mmhm m762: that |
| atmosphere actually you know f963: | mm | yes mmhm m762: and then |
| would you know erm f963: | mm | yes mmhm m762: explore you |
| you know erm f963: mmhm | mm | yes yeah m762: and and |
| zaf hints at that f963: | mm | yes yeah m762: that she |
| you know people f963: mm | mm | yes yeah mmhm m762: are |
| to read and i f963: | mm | yes yeah mmhm m762: enjoyed |
| it in the text f963: | mm | yes yeah mmhm mmhm m762: |
| f963: mm mm right well | mm | yes yeah uh huh m762: |
| they don t erm f963: | mm | yes yeah uh huh m762: |
| and all that stuff f963: | mm | yes yeah yeah mmhm m762: |
| sense yeah [laugh] f963: mm | mm | and lots of different influences |
| they looked so good f963: | mm | are you a witch [laugh] |
| it was always lovely f963: | mm | aw f965: but you never |
| nineteen sixty mm six f963: | mm | because i mean the more |
| tiny little number or f963: | mm | but if you do know |
| all the way through f963: | mm | did you still do the |
| but it s all relative | mm | f963: and so they were |
| not against the wall oh | mm | f963: but it was called |
| of energetic games and f965: | mm | f963: erm it was quite |
| makes you m964: mm f965: | mm | f963: feel that wee bit |
| and there s us f965: | mm | f963: like never the twain |
| living near my school m964: | mm | f963: mm f965: because we |
| m964: it did yes f965: | mm | f963: mm i suppose you |
| prestwick during the war m964: | mm | f963: mm mmhm f965: and |
| was a huge undertaking m964: | mm | f963: mmhm f965: and it |
| s not too stodgy m964: | mm | f963: mmhm mmhm f965: and |
| my career is tig m964: | mm | f963: mmhm right f965: because |
| had the term of f965: | mm | f963: oh m964: hitting someone |
| had never heard before m964: | mm | f963: oh mmhm f965: erm |
| crocodiles on them [laugh] m964: | mm | f963: oh right [laugh] lacoste |
| you were at school m964: | mm | f963: oh yeah we did |
| an there was an m964: | mm | f963: readily so f965: aerodrome |
| mopeds and listening to f965: | mm | f963: ska music it s |
| this really low [laugh] f965: | mm | f963: speed by our standards |
| to the business anyway f965: | mm | f963: then they were learning |
| hockey things like that f965: | mm | f963: which is you know |
| anti vietnam demonstrations and m964: | mm | f963: yeah mmhm f965: national |
| being in the game m964: | mm | f963: yes f965: but not |
| it was a long time | mm | f963: you know it s |
| we played rounders and f965: | mm | f963: you know we played |
| sizes of balls y- f963: | mm | f965: a a limited number |
| she made it in f963: | mm | f965: a cloot f963: right |
| more formalised uh huh m964: | mm | f965: a formal fight f963: |
| girl i remember her f963: | mm | f965: absolutely epitomising this young |
| children have to be f963: | mm | f965: actually have to shown |
| got into serious bother f963: | mm | f965: and as you pointed |
| wouldn t initiate it f963: | mm | f965: and er it seemed |
| presumably f963: uh huh mm | mm | f965: and erm cause they |
| a fight m964: [inaudible] f963: | mm | f965: and erm i m |
| came from the south f963: | mm | f965: and from here nottingham |
| knew he was leaving f963: | mm | f965: and he said looking |
| he played the guitar f963: | mm | f965: and he was er |
| we played loud music f963: | mm | f965: and i didn t |
| name was very unusual f963: | mm | f965: and i said do |
| do things like that f963: | mm | f965: and it s kids |
| erm with his mum f963: | mm | f965: and she was getting |
| clock in the morning f963: | mm | f965: and sometimes we played |
| i don t know f963: | mm | f965: and sometimes you could |
| was fabulous with money f963: | mm | f965: and that s an |
| skipping rope to school f963: | mm | f965: and then it became |
| a point m964: yeah f963: | mm | f965: and then the next |
| this f965: absolutely absolutely f963: | mm | f965: and there are advantages |
| the supermarket one day f963: | mm | f965: and there was a |
| the music area f963: yeah | mm | f965: and they could play |
| they often adore it f963: | mm | f965: and they want to |
| in my fourth year f963: | mm | f965: and we had nothing |
| down like a horse f963: | mm | f965: and you only got |
| golf course one day f963: | mm | f965: and you weren t |
| i went to school f963: | mm | f965: at chirnsyde primary school |
| you remember miss [censored: surname] f963: | mm | f965: at school f963: uh |
| t want to know f963: | mm | f965: b nobody wanted to |
| to the police f963: mm | mm | f965: because as i say |
| next door to me f963: | mm | f965: because my life is |
| far as i remember f963: | mm | f965: because remember this was |
| i was at school f963: | mm | f965: because the colour i |
| was a special assembly f963: | mm | f965: because the local minister |
| my school m964: mm f963: | mm | f965: because we did have |
| you regulate that now f963: | mm | f965: because we would admit |
| arguments with with blows f963: | mm | f965: but erm there were |
| like chips poker yeah m964: | mm | f965: but f963: i see |
| children will do that f963: | mm | f965: but i when i |
| and so on f963: mm | mm | f965: but it really didn |
| in it s way f963: | mm | f965: but it s er |
| was just my school f963: | mm | f965: but it would be |
| just have sat quietly f963: | mm | f965: but now they don |
| read that well f963: yeah | mm | f965: but she was fabulous |
| an old wooden desk f963: | mm | f965: but that added to |
| they feel their way f963: | mm | f965: but that might be |
| teddy boys here f963: mm | mm | f965: but the- they tended |
| t afraid m964: clearly f963: | mm | f965: but there were criminals |
| you were the winner f963: | mm | f965: but what was the |
| to nottingham but they f963: | mm | f965: came up and sh- |
| you know things like f963: | mm | f965: cars what kind of |
| people were quite poor f963: | mm | f965: children didn t need |
| they certainly had their f963: | mm | f965: clothes were very central |
| or nobody under age f963: | mm | f965: could go in the |
| t play football just f963: | mm | f965: did not play it |
| put in the corner f963: | mm | f965: do you know what |
| what i ve observed f963: | mm | f965: er yeah they re |
| that was enhanced it f963: | mm | f965: er you got writing |
| that i can remember f963: | mm | f965: erm but then i |
| don t exist now f963: | mm | f965: erm even when you |
| were respectful of authority f963: | mm | f965: far more respectful and |
| know if they said f963: | mm | f965: go and do so |
| didn t know this f963: | mm | f965: he showed us photographs |
| lost art we were f963: | mm | f965: horrified at how few |
| stand in the corner f963: | mm | f965: i did use the |
| known in england f963: mm | mm | f965: i think that must |
| and becoming nuisances f963: yes | mm | f965: in the olden days |
| of anything to do f963: | mm | f965: in the playground and |
| whatever they talk luxemburgish f963: | mm | f965: is it that what |
| life is and erm f963: | mm | f965: it s one of |
| anticipating an invasion f963: mm | mm | f965: it was going to |
| was a gipsy camp f963: | mm | f965: it wasn t really |
| you could remember the f963: | mm | f965: kids who went to |
| ones that they got f963: | mm | f965: later f963: right f965: |
| was passé you know f963: | mm | f965: let them do what |
| a mild christmas pudding f963: | mm | f965: like a pale mild |
| f965: we have dumplings f963: | mm | f965: like that too that |
| area it seem- f963: mm | mm | f965: looking back it certainly |
| f963: detailed f965: detailed f963: | mm | f965: maps of the whole |
| it it makes you m964: | mm | f965: mm f963: feel that |
| time trying to remember f963: | mm | f965: my i was only |
| that the right word f963: | mm | f965: my observation [laugh] f963: |
| [sniff] and then f963: mmhm | mm | f965: no she isn t |
| move like no kicking f963: | mm | f965: none o that stuff |
| a definite erm fear f963: | mm | f965: of destroying things you |
| would have it maybe f963: | mm | f965: on a sunday lunch |
| in the morning f963: [laugh] | mm | f965: on christmas day with |
| five and i could f963: | mm | f965: only remember the bad |
| off the wall f963: [laugh] | mm | f965: or you lifted [laugh] |
| scottish country dance music f963: | mm | f965: played on it so |
| school not in the f963: | mm | f965: playground but maybe in |
| is that a surprise m964: | mm | f965: really f963: oh we |
| you know how you f963: | mm | f965: remember your childhood teachers |
| absolutely brilliant at maths f963: | mm | f965: rotten at everything else |
| taught in glasgow were f963: | mm | f965: seriously deprived in many |
| or not career criminals f963: | mm | f965: shall we say m964: |
| f965: fabulous at maths f963: | mm | f965: she could do any |
| she was a mod f963: | mm | f965: she was known as |
| very very exotic f963: mm | mm | f965: she was more mod |
| with my face f963: mm | mm | f965: so it was it |
| this may be apocryphal f963: | mm | f965: some people had beautiful |
| [cough] f965: it needed f963: | mm | f965: somebody available to make |
| f963: uh huh yeah m964: | mm | f965: somebody s got a |
| be taught now by f963: | mm | f965: specialist people that come |
| life is less rich f963: | mm | f965: than it is if |
| has shifted so much f963: | mm | f965: that it you spend |
| place in this country f963: | mm | f965: that people were not |
| school was so small f963: | mm | f965: that we could actually |
| shelters along the beach f963: | mm | f965: that were not vandalised |
| tell your parents f963: yeah | mm | f965: that you d been |
| it could be rage f963: | mm | f965: the best possible thing |
| m964: mmhm f963: mm m964: | mm | f965: the circus was on |
| sounds a little pc f963: | mm | f965: the fact was everybody |
| were the kind of f963: | mm | f965: the kids that had |
| loud parties and the f963: | mm | f965: the loose people coming |
| f963: mmhm yeah yeah m964: | mm | f965: there was also there |
| even of employment age f963: | mm | f965: they could be sitting |
| t get right round f963: | mm | f965: they didn t score |
| d forgotten this f963: mm | mm | f965: they used to have |
| whatever their environment is f963: | mm | f965: they will find a |
| might have wanted to f963: | mm | f965: to damage things but |
| social services or whatever f963: | mm | f965: to do stuff with |
| that extremely liberal movement f963: | mm | f965: to say oh hey |
| the person in authority f963: | mm | f965: told you what to |
| hand touch your heel f963: | mm | f965: touch your toe f963: |
| roll f963: mm mmhm m964: | mm | f965: [tut] and it all |
| games the children initiated f963: | mm | f965: unless i know when |
| you know that mum f963: | mm | f965: wasn t at work |
| parents had been regimented f963: | mm | f965: we still had national |
| of it involved football f963: | mm | f965: we were so lucky |
| nobody was ever out f963: | mm | f965: what you did was |
| know do you know f963: | mm | f965: when i taught as |
| happen in this town f963: | mm | f965: when i was growing |
| a middle class environment f963: | mm | f965: where people were were |
| to avoid party games f963: | mm | f965: where somebody where people |
| to be a football f963: | mm | f965: where the whole tig |
| working with in england f963: | mm | f965: where you ha- oh |
| kind of happy medium f963: | mm | f965: where you re protected |
| middle class i suppose f963: | mm | f965: who didn t break |
| in these old photographs m964: | mm | f965: yeah f963: so there |
| [laugh] f963: [laugh] uh huh | mm | f965: yeah there s you |
| and f963: for shoes yeah | mm | f965: yeah thick sole crêpe |
| they do now f963: mm | mm | f965: you didn t make |
| how you do it f963: | mm | f965: you do not digress |
| being constantly entertained f963: [laugh] | mm | f965: you know i i |
| of stuff an f963: mm | mm | f965: you know if you |
| were going to f963: mm | mm | f965: you know they re |
| t have a borderline f963: | mm | f965: you know who don |
| for you f963: mm mm | mm | f965: you know you got |
| and still at school f963: | mm | f965: you might lean towards |
| just an ordinary throw f963: | mm | f965: you said plainy [laugh] |
| that are similar [laugh] f963: | mm | f965: you see the same |
| they still get those f963: | mm | i don t know f965: |
| talked about teddy girls f963: | mm | i haven t heard of |
| they would make it f963: | mm | i just sort of f965: |
| that work exactly f963: mm | mm | i mean wh- when f965: |
| did yes f965: mm f963: | mm | i suppose you had the |
| and you think f963: mm | mm | [inhale] what s it done |
| dig down and and f963: | mm | it s a genuine history |
| daylights out of you f963: | mm | it s true f965: so |
| what i mean f963: mm | mm | [laugh] and been processed [laugh] |
| culture as i recall f963: | mm | [laugh] f965: [inhale] you would |
| f965: my observation [laugh] f963: | mm | [laugh] f965: is so poor |
| twat basically and [laugh] f963: | mm | [laugh] [laugh] right yeah yeah |
| mm m964: but er f963: | mm | [laugh] m964: but yes yeah |
| it like a cake f963: | mm | [laugh] yeah m964: it was |
| you know you know f963: | mm | [laugh] yeah well it s |
| you know i mean f963: | mm | [laugh] yeah yeah [laugh] mm |
| know sort of f963: [laugh] | mm | [laugh] yes mm yes oh |
| that s the thing f963: | mm | [laugh] yes yeah and his |
| f965: [laugh] yeah [laugh] f963: | mm | m964: and it also happened |
| [laugh] f963: [laugh] uh huh | mm | m964: [cough] f965: because we |
| f965: mmhm f963: mm mmhm | mm | m964: erm it s just |
| in [laugh] m964: mmhm f963: | mm | m964: mm f965: the circus |
| are you a rocker f963: | mm | m964: right f965: because there |
| do you think that f963: | mm | m964: the community here is |
| german with a [inaudible] f963: | mm | m964: well it s german |
| as a happy medium f963: | mm | m964: when we lived in |
| bun is so dense f963: | mm | m964: yes it s very |
| him in the shin f963: | mm | m964: you didn t have |
| literal sense yeah [laugh] f963: | mm | mm and lots of different |
| general subject and it f965: | mm | mm f963: included things like |
| limit presumably f963: uh huh | mm | mm f965: and erm cause |
| attitude to the police f963: | mm | mm f965: because as i |
| groups and so on f963: | mm | mm f965: but it really |
| were anticipating an invasion f963: | mm | mm f965: it was going |
| was very very exotic f963: | mm | mm f965: she was more |
| obviously with my face f963: | mm | mm f965: so it was |
| i d forgotten this f963: | mm | mm f965: they used to |
| way they do now f963: | mm | mm f965: you didn t |
| of of stuff an f963: | mm | mm f965: you know if |
| they were going to f963: | mm | mm f965: you know they |
| good for you f963: mm | mm | mm f965: you know you |
| did that work exactly f963: | mm | mm i mean wh- when |
| sticks and you think f963: | mm | mm [inhale] what s it |
| know what i mean f963: | mm | mm [laugh] and been processed |
| was good for you f963: | mm | mm mm f965: you know |
| of beatnik m964: [inaudible] f963: | mm | mm mm mmhm did you |
| kind of like that f963: | mm | mm mmhm f965: i tho- |
| all writing is artifice f963: | mm | mm mmhm yeah mm [laugh] |
| and it stops them f963: | mm | mm right or they feel |
| think it does exist f963: | mm | mm right well mm yes |
| nurse isn t she f963: | mm | mm right yeah yeah mmhm |
| the kind of iberian f963: | mm | mm [tut] right right yeah |
| t a repressive regime f963: | mm | mm uh huh f965: it |
| respectable member of society f963: | mm | mm yeah uh huh f965: |
| re thinking kind of f963: | mm | mm yeah yeah mmhm [laugh] |
| experience i think possibly f963: | mm | mm yeah yeah mmhm mm |
| er you know erm f963: | mm | mm yeah yeah mmhm yeah |
| path of this journey f963: | mm | mm yes mm mmhm [tut] |
| know [laugh] you know f963: | mm | mm yes yeah [laugh] it |
| something in the twenties f963: | mm | mmhm ah right oh yeah |
| your kids play there f963: | mm | mmhm be quite dangerous now |
| for me really ish f963: | mm | mmhm but you had teddy |
| and quite erm ritualised f963: | mm | mmhm did everybody ki- sort |
| m964: [inaudible] f963: mm mm | mm | mmhm did you hang out |
| s only one marbles game | mm | mmhm f963: that we- that |
| would be in your day | mm | mmhm f963: yeah i remember |
| decca had a programme f963: | mm | mmhm f965: and capitol records |
| because i had to f963: | mm | mmhm f965: and i m |
| maybe in the field f963: | mm | mmhm f965: and it s |
| the war m964: mm f963: | mm | mmhm f965: and it was |
| had her own roundabout f963: | mm | mmhm f965: and she was |
| was there on supply f963: | mm | mmhm f965: and she was |
| to stop them f963: yeah | mm | mmhm f965: and they would |
| had a travelling fair f963: | mm | mmhm f965: and this wee |
| down there you know f963: | mm | mmhm f965: and when she |
| for them as well f963: | mm | mmhm f965: apart from football |
| his wife who knows f963: | mm | mmhm f965: but certainly children |
| to be around children f963: | mm | mmhm f965: but children are |
| probably just being hit f963: | mm | mmhm f965: but maybe that |
| the school every year f963: | mm | mmhm f965: [censored: forename] was her |
| old person direction but f963: | mm | mmhm f965: children had there |
| fancying somebody you know f963: | mm | mmhm f965: er ha- you |
| came in you know f963: | mm | mmhm f965: erm but as |
| get the guy off f963: | mm | mmhm f965: erm this is |
| was a small town f963: | mm | mmhm f965: everybody knew him |
| or beef or something f963: | mm | mmhm f965: i i don |
| my anonymity m964: [sniff] f963: | mm | mmhm f965: i think when |
| of like that f963: mm | mm | mmhm f965: i tho- i |
| the mainstream radio f963: [laugh] | mm | mmhm f965: i- they presented |
| a rocker f963: mmhm mmhm | mm | mmhm f965: if you re |
| such a thing existed f963: | mm | mmhm f965: in our society |
| the eyes and and f963: | mm | mmhm f965: it really was |
| to america somewhere like f963: | mm | mmhm f965: kentucky or i |
| imports like perry mason f963: | mm | mmhm f965: lawyer detective and |
| ground f963: mm mmhm mm | mm | mmhm f965: or somebody might |
| four to primary seven f963: | mm | mmhm f965: so i really |
| a wee while ago f963: | mm | mmhm f965: the- they re |
| got terribly badly injured f963: | mm | mmhm f965: there was a |
| was very carefully contrived f963: | mm | mmhm f965: there was nothing |
| to work though f963: yeah | mm | mmhm f965: they were going |
| mod or rocker thing f963: | mm | mmhm f965: well she had |
| adult you know thing f963: | mm | mmhm f965: wh- when you |
| formality about some games f963: | mm | mmhm f965: where i can |
| like an english village f963: | mm | mmhm f965: which has like |
| of that nothing clever f963: | mm | mmhm f965: you know erm |
| is for erm tolerance f963: | mm | mmhm f965: you know we |
| gone you know erm f963: | mm | mmhm i think his state |
| round clootie christmas pudding f963: | mm | mmhm in a in an |
| were saying before about f963: | mm | mmhm [inaudible] f965: they would |
| with rock and roll f963: | mm | mmhm m964: mm f965: [tut] |
| much alcohol f965: mmhm f963: | mm | mmhm mm m964: erm it |
| lying on the ground f963: | mm | mmhm mm mm mmhm f965: |
| because it m964: mm f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm f965: actually might |
| know what you re f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm f965: talking about |
| and remains so erm f963: | mm | mmhm mmhm mmhm mm mm |
| a wee while ago f963: | mm | mmhm no i think i |
| romantic as it sounds f963: | mm | mmhm not much continuity but |
| really but pardon me f963: | mm | mmhm right yeah yeah mmhm |
| than the other or f963: | mm | mmhm right yes yeah mmhm |
| i mean so erm f963: | mm | mmhm right yes yeah mmhm |
| a game of tig f963: | mm | mmhm the one sort of |
| isn t it f963: yeah | mm | mmhm there are there are |
| journey f963: mm mm yes | mm | mmhm [tut] right yeah yeah |
| t remember her name f963: | mm | mmhm we used to have |
| this kind of thing f963: | mm | mmhm yeah do you feel |
| a reaction to destruction f963: | mm | mmhm yeah f965: and also |
| was scared of it f963: | mm | mmhm yeah f965: and so |
| better witnesses than others f963: | mm | mmhm yeah f965: because they |
| absolutely filled with admiration f963: | mm | mmhm yeah f965: for the |
| of name and he f963: | mm | mmhm yeah f965: obviously wasn |
| this guy off you f963: | mm | mmhm yeah i was a |
| d written other things f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah and time |
| something the wrong way f965: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah f963: but |
| exactly yeah you went f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah how far |
| were kind of inverted f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yeah yes they |
| they did you know f963: | mm | mmhm yeah yes yeah but |
| know yeah yeah yeah f963: | mm | mmhm yes the whole thing |
| them run you know f963: | mm | mmhm yes yeah kind of |
| in a way erm f963: | mm | mmhm yes yeah maybe that |
| to do that so f963: | mm | mmhm yes yeah uh huh |
| and photographers m964: really f963: | mm | oh right lord li- lichfield |
| a common name in f963: | mm | oh right right yes mmhm |
| two beeching act erm f963: | mm | oh right was this in |
| do what you want f963: | mm | oh yeah no that [inaudible] |
| rhymes that you said f963: | mm | really mm f965: but there |
| certainly hadn t come f963: | mm | right f965: straight from the |
| he [?]likes[/?] like this f963: | mm | right [laugh] yeah yeah mm |
| had it at christmas f963: | mm | right m964: right f965: that |
| and they had symbolism f963: | mm | right mmhm f965: there was |
| it stops them f963: mm | mm | right or they feel they |
| no way of hearing f963: | mm | right uh huh f965: except |
| had a birthday cake f963: | mm | right uh huh yeah f965: |
| it does exist f963: mm | mm | right well mm yes yeah |
| black and white definition f963: | mm | right which tribe are you |
| isn t she f963: mm | mm | right yeah yeah mmhm yeah |
| it was a thing f963: | mm | right yes yeah mm mmhm |
| f965: this is nineteen sixty | mm | six f963: mm because i |
| t know but erm f963: | mm | [sniff] f965: once they are |
| some way you know f963: | mm | something s being created although |
| a repressive regime f963: mm | mm | uh huh f965: it was |
| american airforce people here f963: | mm | uh huh yeah f965: later |
| a degree of honour f963: | mm | was it f965: that people |
| oh f965: non marriage f963: | mm | was that a good sign |
| f963: oh f965: [cough] f963: | mm | we also had about umpteen |
| [laugh] you know f963: yeah | mm | well [laugh] the idea that |
| brother would hit you f963: | mm | what about vandalism was there |
| of below the belt f963: | mm | yeah a lot of our |
| with her education slightly f963: | mm | yeah don t know i |
| the primary school f963: mmhm | mm | yeah f965: but erm god |
| a class that size f963: | mm | yeah f965: but the children |
| palaver the christmas dinner f963: | mm | yeah f965: erm because it |
| and everything else ps- f963: | mm | yeah f965: psychological one f963: |
| without getting into trouble f963: | mm | yeah f965: so the school |
| we didn t have f963: | mm | yeah f965: we didn t |
| mirror they re not f963: | mm | yeah i suppose there s |
| was actually very serious f963: | mm | yeah m964: was there an |
| general you know erm f963: | mm | yeah right yeah yeah mm |
| that stuff and walter f963: | mm | yeah sort of kailyard idea |
| er swings and roundabouts f963: | mm | yeah the blue rinse twitching |
| people challenge it but f963: | mm | yeah uh huh f965: erm |
| fisticuffs f963: no kicking no | mm | yeah uh huh f965: it |
| member of society f963: mm | mm | yeah uh huh f965: now |
| that can possibly be f963: | mm | yeah uh huh yeah m964: |
| erm and and f963: mm | mm | yeah yeah but it s |
| you know and but f963: | mm | yeah yeah right yeah yeah |
| just i don t f963: | mm | yes [laugh] i ll maybe |
| of this journey f963: mm | mm | yes mm mmhm [tut] right |
| f963: [laugh] mm [laugh] yes | mm | yes oh i know yeah |
| [laugh] you know f963: mm | mm | yes yeah [laugh] it s |
| right there wasn t f963: | mm | yes yeah mmhm mm right |
| she s the character f963: | mm | yes yeah right uh huh |
| thing so f963: right yeah | mm | you can see that sort |
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